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Etchingham marriage mystery
« on: Monday 27 October 25 20:12 GMT (UK) »
Evening everyone.

Ive found a marriage of a John West to a Sarah Cheesman/Cheesmer? on 23 Sep 1832 in Etchingham. Problem is, all the children to this couple seem to be baptised between 1812 and 1832.  Ive checked for all John Wests marrying in Sussex to a Sarah but nothing is jumping out.

Can anyone work out whats going on? Im stumped...

David.
Northants - Stevenson, Smith, Spriggs, Hight, Dodson, Coleman
Swansea - Thomas, Williams, Howell, David, Rees, Griffiths, Jenkins, Bevan
Rutland - Hales
Derbyshire - Harlow, Riley, Pemberton, Aldred
Yorkshire - Stamper, Boyes, Duke
London - Harper, Wallis
Essex - Shelford, Wallis, Read, Stanes
Hertfordshire - Bishop
Cornwall - Johns, Soper, Rowe, Ball, Webb, Dunn, Quintrell, Hain, Oliver
Gloucestershire - Harper, Ash, Gregory, Denman
County Durham - Proud, Duke
Yorkshire - Stamper, Pickering

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Re: Etchingham marriage mystery
« Reply #1 on: Monday 27 October 25 20:39 GMT (UK) »
Are John & Sarah on the 1841 census?  How old are they?
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Re: Etchingham marriage mystery
« Reply #2 on: Monday 27 October 25 20:42 GMT (UK) »
All I can see is at Hurst Green, Etchingham.

Sarah West aged 50
Stephen             15
Mary                    9

Looks like this is Sarah, so John possibly deceased?
Northants - Stevenson, Smith, Spriggs, Hight, Dodson, Coleman
Swansea - Thomas, Williams, Howell, David, Rees, Griffiths, Jenkins, Bevan
Rutland - Hales
Derbyshire - Harlow, Riley, Pemberton, Aldred
Yorkshire - Stamper, Boyes, Duke
London - Harper, Wallis
Essex - Shelford, Wallis, Read, Stanes
Hertfordshire - Bishop
Cornwall - Johns, Soper, Rowe, Ball, Webb, Dunn, Quintrell, Hain, Oliver
Gloucestershire - Harper, Ash, Gregory, Denman
County Durham - Proud, Duke
Yorkshire - Stamper, Pickering

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Re: Etchingham marriage mystery
« Reply #3 on: Monday 27 October 25 20:48 GMT (UK) »
Ive found the burial for John. 08 Nov 1839 in Etchingham, aged 72 (1767-ish)

David.
Northants - Stevenson, Smith, Spriggs, Hight, Dodson, Coleman
Swansea - Thomas, Williams, Howell, David, Rees, Griffiths, Jenkins, Bevan
Rutland - Hales
Derbyshire - Harlow, Riley, Pemberton, Aldred
Yorkshire - Stamper, Boyes, Duke
London - Harper, Wallis
Essex - Shelford, Wallis, Read, Stanes
Hertfordshire - Bishop
Cornwall - Johns, Soper, Rowe, Ball, Webb, Dunn, Quintrell, Hain, Oliver
Gloucestershire - Harper, Ash, Gregory, Denman
County Durham - Proud, Duke
Yorkshire - Stamper, Pickering

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Re: Etchingham marriage mystery
« Reply #4 on: Monday 27 October 25 20:57 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: Vasquez109 on Monday 27 October 25 20:42 GMT (UK)
Sarah West aged 50
Stephen             15
Mary                    9

Is this Mary?
Baptism, 5 Feb 1832, Etchingham
Mary
Base born at Winchester
& Daughter of John West & Sarah Cheesmore
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DRZH-WMY

Throw in a poor image of the BT
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DWK9-BFX

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Re: Etchingham marriage mystery
« Reply #5 on: Monday 27 October 25 21:10 GMT (UK) »
Did they pretend they were married? Caught out and had to finally in 1832?

Thanks for those references!
Northants - Stevenson, Smith, Spriggs, Hight, Dodson, Coleman
Swansea - Thomas, Williams, Howell, David, Rees, Griffiths, Jenkins, Bevan
Rutland - Hales
Derbyshire - Harlow, Riley, Pemberton, Aldred
Yorkshire - Stamper, Boyes, Duke
London - Harper, Wallis
Essex - Shelford, Wallis, Read, Stanes
Hertfordshire - Bishop
Cornwall - Johns, Soper, Rowe, Ball, Webb, Dunn, Quintrell, Hain, Oliver
Gloucestershire - Harper, Ash, Gregory, Denman
County Durham - Proud, Duke
Yorkshire - Stamper, Pickering

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Re: Etchingham marriage mystery
« Reply #6 on: Monday 27 October 25 21:15 GMT (UK) »
Bit odd though!
No marital status on the marriage, could it be a second Sarah?
Could Sarah 1 have died somewhere else? It says Mary was born at Winchester.

There is also a quashed removal order re the Wests to Chilworth, Surrey, at the Lewes Sessions, Epiphany 1829
In the list here
https://www.thekeep.info/collections/getrecord/GB179_Q_1_5_50_1829-01-15

And image of order book here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DRX7-M3Q?view=fullText&lang=en&groupId=

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Re: Etchingham marriage mystery
« Reply #7 on: Monday 27 October 25 21:27 GMT (UK) »
Oh wow! Thank you. I take it the quashed in the margin means they won the case against this happening?
Northants - Stevenson, Smith, Spriggs, Hight, Dodson, Coleman
Swansea - Thomas, Williams, Howell, David, Rees, Griffiths, Jenkins, Bevan
Rutland - Hales
Derbyshire - Harlow, Riley, Pemberton, Aldred
Yorkshire - Stamper, Boyes, Duke
London - Harper, Wallis
Essex - Shelford, Wallis, Read, Stanes
Hertfordshire - Bishop
Cornwall - Johns, Soper, Rowe, Ball, Webb, Dunn, Quintrell, Hain, Oliver
Gloucestershire - Harper, Ash, Gregory, Denman
County Durham - Proud, Duke
Yorkshire - Stamper, Pickering

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Re: Etchingham marriage mystery
« Reply #8 on: Monday 27 October 25 21:42 GMT (UK) »
Hi
Yes, Chilworth won their appeal.

I guess it's most likely a belated marriage for John and Sarah.
Perhaps they were removed back to Etchingham from Winchester? :-\

There are Cheesmore / Cheesman records in the Etchingham parish registers from about 1835, but before that nothing for 200 years! They include another Sarah Cheesman, who married Henry Hayward in 1835. Then baptisms from 1836 to George & Frances, and from about 1840 to James & Harriet
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