Did Elizabeth marry twice?

[Helina]

Please can someone give me some advice on this family? not even sure if I have the right John.
I will start with the son;
John Trott born 1811 in Lopen, Somerset died 1870 in Bristol, he married Charlotte Edye in 1840 Bristol.
Siblings;
Robert b 1806
Grace b 1815
Mary b 1818
Jacob b 1821
Samuel b 1823
Thomas b 1826
John's parents;
John Trott b 1786 in Stockland, Dorset, died 1849 in Otterford, Somerset. Now the main problem in 1805 he married Elizabeth Chamberlain or Vile.  My first thought was that Elizabeth had been married before but they were both so young in 1805, John only 19. I have come across a marriage record saying that John was a widower also Elizabeth was a widow. On ancestry the family trees have Elizabeth Vile as the mother so maybe Elizabeth had married a Mr Chamberlain beforehand.
Any help would be appreciated
helina

[Raybistre]

Freereg gives the following baptisms in Lopen:

Lydia 3 Feb 1809
John 2 Sep 1810
Jacob 18 May 1812
Thomas Priddle 7 May 1814
Sophia 31 Aug 1816

All the children of John and Mary Trott. John Trott was a carpenter.

John Trott and Mary Priddle were married at St Martin, Kingsbury Episcopi, 22 Nov 1803 according to Phillimore' transcript.
Probably more children born before 1809.

[LizzieL]

Is this the right family in 1851?
Living in Otterford

Elizabeth Trott   Head   Widow   70 Domestic labourer b Otterford
John Trott  Son   Married 40 Mason b Chard
Jacob Trott   Son   Unmarried 30   Mason b Whitestaunton
Samuel Trott   Son   Unmarried 28 Mason b Whitestaunton


 

[LizzieL]

Freereg gives the following baptisms in Lopen:

Lydia 3 Feb 1809
John 2 Sep 1810
Jacob 18 May 1812
Thomas Priddle 7 May 1814
Sophia 31 Aug 1816

All the children of John and Mary Trott. John Trott was a carpenter.

John Trott and Mary Priddle were married at St Martin, Kingsbury Episcopi, 22 Nov 1803 according to Phillimore' transcript.
Probably more children born before 1809.

Possibly a Keziah somewhere. Lydia Trott married George Paull of St Helier. Before their marriage they were witnesses of the marriage of a Keziah Trott to William Rowsell on 23 Jan 1831 at Lopen

[Pheno]

John Trott b 1786 in Stockland, Dorset, died 1849 in Otterford, Somerset. Now the main problem in 1805 he married Elizabeth Chamberlain or Vile.  My first thought was that Elizabeth had been married before but they were both so young in 1805, John only 19.
helina

Often where a person is known as, in your example, either Chamberlain or Vile, the reason lies in possible illegitimacy or the fact that the mother married after the birth.  I think you need to follow Elizabeth's birth and check her mother's details ie. was she Chamberlain or Vile when Elizabeth was born and did she marry either a Chamberlain or Vile after Elizabeth's birth.  Also a possibility is that whatever the mother's name was, the father was known and could have been either Chamberlain or Vile and so for 'official recorded purposes' both names were used by Elizabeth.

Pheno

[Helina]

Thank you for your help, looks like I will have to do some more research on the Trott family. The possibility is John and Elizabeth Chamberlain may not be John (junior)'s parents but John and Mary (Priddle). I could be getting 2 different Trott families mixed up.
The line I am interested in is John Trott and Charlotte Edye's line, they had 6 children the eldest William Charles Trott born 1841 Bristol married my Great Aunt x 2, I do have certificates for them.
Thanks again
helina

[LizzieL]

Is this the right family in 1851?
Living in Otterford

Elizabeth Trott   Head   Widow   70 Domestic labourer b Otterford
John Trott  Son   Married 40 Mason b Chard
Jacob Trott   Son   Unmarried 30   Mason b Whitestaunton
Samuel Trott   Son   Unmarried 28 Mason b Whitestaunton

In 1841 John Trott is with his wife Charlotte (nee Edye) and 1 month old son William in Bristol. In 1851, Charlotte, William now 9 (b Bristol) and further children Elizabeth, Jane and George H are in Bristol, but John is not with them Charlotte is married not widowed. So it looks as if the family I found in Otterford is correct and your John is with his widowed mother, Elizabeth on census night.

As to whether she married twice. A transcript on FindMyPast says she was a widow, but I haven't seen the original PR. As Pheno said, when people are known by alternative surnames, there is usually an illegitimacy somewhere, but it may not be Elizabeth. I have a couple of instances in my tree where alternative surnames go back through several generations.

[osprey]

you can access the original marriage in Spaxton on Ancestry. Definitely widow & widower. If you're working from ages on the 1841 census, don't forget they were rounded down.

Death reg for John Trott who died in 1849
John Trott 67 march qtr 1849 Taunton vol 10 pg 341
so born before 1786

[Helina]

Thank you Lizziel for your information regarding John junior in 1851 which I had forgotten about so have saved the census form.
I also remember at one time having Mary Priddle down as married to John senior but found she had married another John.
Thank you also osprey, I did not have a record of John's death so will amend my tree.
helina