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Re: John Newton, Lanchester
« Reply #18 on: Monday 27 October 25 09:06 GMT (UK) »
Another Bluebell-linked advert mentioning an ORNSBY

Added, Henry William Ornsby was George and Margaret Ornsby’s son.
baptism: Darlington, St Cuthbert, 10 Sep 1815 Henry William Ornsby, of Darlington, son of George (gentleman) & Margaret Ornsby

20 February 1841: Durham Chronicle

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LANCHESTER.
TO BE SOLD BY AUCTION,
At the house of Mrs Mary Innis, the Blue Bell Inn, at Lanchester, in the county of Durham, on FRIDAY, the 12th day of March, 1841, at two o'clock in the aflernoon, subject to the conditions that shall be then and there produced.
Mr W. WETHERELL, AUCTIONEER,
ALL that old, well-aceustomed and Valuable INN, or PUBLIC HOUSE, known by the sign of “THE BLUE, BELL” situated in Lanchester, aforesaid, comprising an excellent house, well adapted for carrying on an extensive business: together with two good Stables, Cow-byers, Coach-house, and Granary; and an ample space behind, which affords an admirable site for a Brewery, & good Garden, and other conveniences attached.

The Stanhope and Tyne Railway is only three miles distant from the above Premises; which are situate in a populous and rapidly increasing Colliery district, and form a very advantageous investment for capital.

The Tenant, Mrs Mary Innis, will shew the premises: and further particulars may be had of Mr HENRY W. ORNSBY. SOLICITOR, DARLINGTON. Darlington, February 16th, 1841.
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Re: John Newton, Lanchester
« Reply #19 on: Monday 27 October 25 09:23 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, by  "the tithe record is probably the clue" I meant if owner-occupied in 1843, it was not necessarily so earlier.  The advert shows the inn could previously have been combined with a farm but then separated.

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Re: John Newton, Lanchester
« Reply #20 on: Monday 27 October 25 09:23 GMT (UK) »
further to reply #17, the earliest newspaper item that I can find possibly linking George Walton to the Bluebell Inn is from an August 1838 issue of the Durham Chronicle advertising for builders to take on the contract for the Workhouse at Lanchester, where plans and specifications can be seen at "MR GEORGE WALTON'S, Lanchester".
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Re: John Newton, Lanchester
« Reply #21 on: Monday 27 October 25 09:28 GMT (UK) »
The Lizards in Durham's Halmote court rolls
John Newton, Mary Innes, tenants
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1L-HNR8?view=fullText&keywords=John%20Newton%2CLizards&lang=en&groupId=

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1L-HNNH?view=fullText&keywords=John%20Newton%2CLizards&lang=en&groupId=

Also
Rentals, 1802
John Newton at Blue Bell Inn
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-L3VN-947N

You could perhaps search for all full text results for keywords +Lanchester and +Lizards (or maybe +"Blue Bell")
Don't forget the + !


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Re: John Newton, Lanchester
« Reply #22 on: Monday 27 October 25 10:51 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, by  "the tithe record is probably the clue" I meant if owner-occupied in 1843, it was not necessarily so earlier.  The advert shows the inn could previously have been combined with a farm but then separated.

MollyC, my ‘it seems unlikely’ comment was not directed at you as I had not spotted your mention of tithe records, rather it was directed at me for thinking it was worthwhile having a look!
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Re: John Newton, Lanchester
« Reply #23 on: Monday 27 October 25 11:08 GMT (UK) »
Rentals, 1802
John Newton at Blue Bell Inn
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-L3VN-947N

In this record John Newton is renting from Captain George Ornsby. I have found no evidence that George Ornsby of Lanchester Lodge in later records was ‘Captain’ but I did find this burial at Lanchester, All Saints:

14 Aug 1809 George Ornsby, of Gateshead, age: 72, Captain in H.M. Royal Marines
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Re: John Newton, Lanchester
« Reply #24 on: Monday 27 October 25 16:24 GMT (UK) »
To Tickettyboo, AlanBoyd, johnwarrn and MollyC

From having no information to having boatloads of it is wonderful!  Thank you all!

Just a few points to consider:

According to information I received from Percheron Properties (the estate management company for Vaux Breweries) in the 1990's: George Ornsby bought the Blue Bell on 7th December 1821.  He sold it to George Walton on 13th February 1841.  The new owner and his son (also George Walton) kept it until 13th April 1894 but during that time, there may have been other tenants or managers.
 
Other sources imply that George Walton was in the pub (tenant or manager) for at least three years before he actually bought it.

The Lizards farm, where John Newton spent his later days, was a short distance out of Lanchester but information from the Halmote Court states that some of its fields and garths actually bounded on the land attached to the Blue Bell.  From the farmhouse to the Blue Bell or the Kings Head was an easy walk so he could easily have run the farm whilst supervising either or both of the pubs although I believe the Innis family may well have been sub-let to run it.
 
John Newton may have been the owner of the pub businesses without owning the premises – in which case he could still be the licence holder. And, in the case of the Innis family, they might have simply been employees or they could have been partners.  Mary Innis was mentioned, along with John Newton, in the Halmote records referring to The Lizards farm even after she had left the Blue Bell.  The two were named as tenants.  Mary Innis’ maiden name was Mary Dodds – I wonder if there was a family connection?

John Newton may well have hung on to the businesses as an extra source of income – as licence holder, he would take the greater part of the profits but the manager would still make a good living.  It also needs to be remembered that his time there was 50 or 60 years before the local magistrates began to insist on the licensee living on the premises.

So, even many years after ceasing to live in either pub, he was still very active in the business side of things.

The press cutting supplied by boo is also interesting as it dates the Blue Bell back to at least 1737 and that is the oldest reference I have to any pub in Lanchester.

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Re: John Newton, Lanchester
« Reply #25 on: Monday 27 October 25 16:36 GMT (UK) »


The press cutting supplied by boo is also interesting as it dates the Blue Bell back to at least 1737 and that is the oldest reference I have to any pub in Lanchester.

Neville

Do bear in mind that then, as now, the newspapers 'sometimes' only had a passing acquaintance with veracity :-)

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Re: John Newton, Lanchester
« Reply #26 on: Monday 27 October 25 16:58 GMT (UK) »
According to information I received from Percheron Properties (the estate management company for Vaux Breweries) in the 1990's: George Ornsby bought the Blue Bell on 7th December 1821.

But did they tell you who he bought it from?

Added: also if this is the case why was John Newton paying rent to Capt Ornsby in 1802?
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