Looking for Grace Edwards in 1871/1881

[rosie99]

May have overlooked this on the thread address 81 Hampstead Rd on their 1880 marriage has anyone checked to see who was living there in 1881?

81 Hampstead Road, St Pancras in 1881 - Geo W. Wilkin a Beerhouse Keeper with wife Ellen and servant Eliza Calloway.  RG11/178 f56 p5

Written alongside the address is 'Gladstone'
AI tells me
Gladstone was the historic name of the pub now called The Old Crown on Hampstead Road in the Euston area of London. The pub has also previously been known as the New Crown.

[jonwarrn]

Re: SS reply 7 address 46 Cardington Street for the Lester,'s

An ad in the Morning Post, 30 October 1878
Appears again on the 1st Nov, but it may say 45 Cardington Street on that one?

[softly softly]

Jonwarrn, re that advertisement, is it possibly promoting Edward or Charles Jnr,but begs the question why is Edward snr not Charles- can’t work that out

SS

[heywood]

SS,
Your reply #46, Edward Lester born about 1864/5. That age would fit for a 14-year-old seeking employment in 1878 as the advert states.

[softly softly]

Posting this as not sure if already posted, if it has sorry.

3rd November 1879 Edward George Neaves born 18.1.1870 enrolled at school. Father Edward Neaves 9 Kilburn Park Road.

17.8.1878  Clara is born--conceived around November 1877.

Wondering if Clara is Edward Neaves daughter who is using the alias Charles Lester at Clara's birth

SS

[Milliepede]

Gets more and more tangled with the names doesn’t it.

I was even wondering if the father of Clara was a Mr Adams because wasn’t she the one with MMN Adams?!  Grace could have sneaked the surname in there albeit as her own.  The Adams just doesn’t make any sense. 

[Ladyhawk]

Posting this as not sure if already posted, if it has sorry.

3rd November 1879 Edward George Neaves born 18.1.1870 enrolled at school. Father Edward Neaves 9 Kilburn Park Road.

17.8.1878  Clara is born--conceived around November 1877.

Wondering if Clara is Edward Neaves daughter who is using the alias Charles Lester at Clara's birth

a long thread took me a while to find  so brought forward some details from my post.....

Censuses for Edward Neaves born c1833 Kew, Surrey

1833 22 Dec Bpt. son of George & Letitia Louisa Neaves (nee Clarke)
1841 Meves (Neaves) with parents George & Louisa & siblings
1851 ? not with parents
1861 Neaves bc1834 Kew, gardener son for George & Louisa
1871 Neaves bc1833 Kew, painter, wife Fanny (nee Maling) sons Richard J & Edwd G
        Fanny Maling married Richard Tubbs 1864
        Richard Thomas Tubbs (mn Mayling b1865) (Edward George mn Maling )
1880 Edward married Grace Lester both widowed occ painter
1881?
1885 Edward widow married Caroline Orgles occ painter
1891 surname Ncrass bc 1833 Kew Surrey, decorator & painter wife Caroline, dau Letitia

NEAVES, EDWARD  GEORGE     mn MALING
GRO Reference: 1869  D Quarter in HENDON  Volume 03A  Page 116

Don't think a marriage was found for Edward Neaves to Fanny Maling/Tubbs though

[Ladyhawk]

Re: SS reply 7 address 46 Cardington Street for the Lester,'s

An ad in the Morning Post, 30 October 1878
Appears again on the 1st Nov, but it may say 45 Cardington Street on that one?

Again I might be duplicating info. posted.........1881

John William WARE Age   41
Spouse   Charlotte Ware (nee Winwood)
Where born   Langford, Essex
Civil parish   St Pancras
Street Address   46 Cardington St
Marital Status   Married
Occupation   Crown Message (G S)
Piece   197 Folio   113 Page number   36

If Grace Lester nee Edwards was telling the truth about being a widow there should be a death for a Charles Lester Snr. after 1871 census and her 1880 marriage to Edward Neaves 

The Neaves should be somewhere on the 1881 census daughter Mary Lottie Letitia Neaves was born 30th  October 1881

Edward NEAVES born c 1833, occupation painter/decorator
Grace (Emily) NEAVES born c1846
and if still alive the sons of Charles, occ wine merchant clerk and Grace
Edward LESTER born c 1864
Charles LESTER born c 1867
edit to add
Clara Amelia Maud LESTER born c 1878

but where 

From FindMyPast

1881c taken on the night of 3 April 1881
Piece number 693 is missing from the 1881 Census:
house numbers 17-22 Cunard Street, Camberwell, London.
Part of house number 16 could be missing too if the house contained more children, a boarder or a visitor.

If the family were in that area that might explain why they cannot be found  in 1881 

[Milliepede]

Fanny Louisa Neaves was born Sep 1873 Hendon MMN Maling
Walter in Dec 1871
Both died young

Death for Fanny Tubbs Sep 1874 Hendon age 27 which implies no marriage to Edward.

I discounted Grace technically being a widow as she wasn’t married to Charles but see what you mean she could still have been widowed from the relationship if he had died. 

Would love to know where Clara Amelia Maud born 1878 was in 1881 too and if she was with her mother but looking like we will never know  .