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Offline Neale1961

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Re: Common name William Matthews brick wall
« Reply #9 on: Friday 24 October 25 01:13 BST (UK) »
Another good question where did the name Howard come from???

Clearly, YOU have added the middle name to the FamilySearch tree that you quote.
Why?
Where did you get that name?
It does not appear on any of your source documents.
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/LWVM-TR6

ARE YOU COPYING OTHER PEOPLE'S MISTAKES?
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Common name William Matthews brick wall
« Reply #10 on: Friday 24 October 25 01:18 BST (UK) »
Not the most scientific way to go about it but in the 1841 census it states the William Snr and Mary the parents where born in Alfreton.

One of the William Matthews is born in Pentrich, (mistranscribed as Pentvich) Derbyshire, England which is about 5km away so basically Alfreton

I found a record of a Mary Wragg being married to Joseph Crisp on ancestry where I don't have a subscription and can view it. So maybe Marry Wragg is Mary Crisp?? can anyone find this?

As for Mary's death

 Name   Mary Matthews
Age   80 (this would make her born in 1791 the same years as Mary Wagg)
Event Type   Burial
Event Date   16 Apr 1871
Event Place   Swanwick, Swanwick, Derbyshire, England (location of my William Matthew's birth)
Record Type   Burial
Microfilm Number   2082372
Indexing Batch   V01787-6

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Re: Common name William Matthews brick wall
« Reply #11 on: Friday 24 October 25 01:21 BST (UK) »
William MATTHEWS married Mary CRISP (nee WRAGG) in 1826 Alfreton, Derbyshire

Children’s baptisms (Alfreton)
•   Hannah born 10 Feb 1829 (bapt 1841) (d/o William and Mary; Stockinger; abode Swanwick)
•   William 26 Feb 1832 (s/o William and Mary; Stockinger; abode Swanwick)
•   Sarah 22 Apr 1841 (d/o William and Mary; Stockinger; abode Swanwick)


1841 census The family is in Alfreton, all framework knitters
William Matthews 35 not born in county
Oldest son named Richard (15) - born before the marriage, or from earlier marriage?


1851 census – still in Alfreton
William Matthews, 49, F/W knitter, born Watnall, Nottinghamshire,
Mary Matthews 60 born Heath Derbyshire
Grandson Richard Walters 3 born Swanwick (son of Hannah)


1861 census – still in Alfreton
William Matthews, 59, F/W knitter, born Watnall, Nottinghamshire
Mary Matthews 70 born Heath Derbyshire


1871 census – still in Alfreton
William Matthews, 69, F/W knitter, born Watnall, Nottinghamshire
Mary Matthews 80 born Heath Derbyshire


Mary Matthews (formerly Crisp, nee Wragg) died in Swanwick 16 Apr 1871 (age 80).

Mary WRAGG baptised in Heath 12 June 1791
d/o John and Ann Wragg

Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Common name William Matthews brick wall
« Reply #12 on: Friday 24 October 25 01:23 BST (UK) »
24 Dec 1816 Heath, Derbyshire
Mary WRAGG (spinster) married Joseph CRISP  (widower, labourer)
Both OTP. Both marked X
Witnesses – William Wragg and Maria Eller

Children
•   Elizabeth Crisp bapt Alfreton 1817
•   Ann Crisp bapt Alfreton 1819
•   John Crisp bapt Alfreton 1821
•   Jane Wragg Crisp bapt 1823 Alfreton

Joseph Crisp death Greasley Nottinghamshire 1823
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/memories/MZPR-PZY
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)


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Re: Common name William Matthews brick wall
« Reply #13 on: Friday 24 October 25 01:24 BST (UK) »
? Possible baptism for William MATTHEWS
27 Nov 1800 Castle Gate Meeting of Protestant Dissenters (Ind)
S/0 Willam and Hannah of Nottingham


MARRIAGE 19 Sep 1799 Nottingham : St Mary
William MATTHEWS to Hannah RICHARDS
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Common name William Matthews brick wall
« Reply #14 on: Friday 24 October 25 04:25 BST (UK) »
There is a tree on ancestry for Richard son of William and Mary states born 26 June 1826 Swanwick

Derbyshire.  He goes to USA first to Indiana, then Nebraska dies in Colorado.
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It says his mother Mary Mathews, formerly Crisp nee Wragg died in Thingoe Suffolk 1871 that's along way from Derbyshire.

The USA part looks to be well researched I'm not so sure about England as it says he married an Ann Johnson? who died 1864 he then married Martha Enyeart 1866 in Indiana.

Need to find the passenger lists for 1851 plus or minus a year or two. 
1900 census he says he came to USA in 1851 and is a citizen, so his naturalization papers would help.

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Re: Common name William Matthews brick wall
« Reply #15 on: Friday 24 October 25 15:48 BST (UK) »
thank you, I makes sense that they went to America. The William Matthew (JR) which I know is right and most of his family ended up in Rock springs and became Mormons. They are very Well documented and all The photos online from this family are from a DNA match from that area.

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Re: Common name William Matthews brick wall
« Reply #16 on: Friday 24 October 25 17:29 BST (UK) »
1851 census for Richard Matthews 26 b. Swanwick in Kirkdale, Lancashire

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGLJ-814?lang=en

The 1871 census above for Mary Barratt with Matthews grandchildren shows 7 year old John born in America & 5 year old Hannah born in Swanwick

Possible burial in Swanwick 11 Jan 1867 Mary Matthews 34
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Common name William Matthews brick wall
« Reply #17 on: Friday 24 October 25 22:42 BST (UK) »
So as For Mary Wragg Family search has her parents as John Wragg GGYL-B2W and Anne ???? GGYG-X9H

This is from her christening 

Is there a way to find out more about John and Anne Wragg nee?