Albert Pope 1890 in California

[polarbear]

Albert and Emily arrived in St John New Brunswick Canada 27 March 1911. They were continuing on to Toronto Ontario and would have continued their journey by train.

PB

[J.J.]

I hadn't found the 1921 earlier, but now I see why I overlooked it...
Couple both say born Ontario - yes he's a labourer in a soap factory,
    but his wife down as Gladys?...Gordon as born 1915 instead of 1912?
https://recherche-collection-search.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/Home/Record?app=census&IdNumber=66255555&ecopy=e003050568

as suggested there is an extensive tree on FamilySearch site
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pedigree/landscape/G319-D79

Here they are in 1950...you can add this entry plus others you may find
that haven't been attached to the tree as yet...
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6XGC-KS7B

[overlandermatt]

Thanks JJ.

There does look to be a decent tree in FamilySearch but I question the reliability of the information about Albert Pope - he is from Plymouth, not Bristol, and born in 1890. I've not really been able to do too much research into Albert Pope after he left the UK but I'm confident that I have the right guy that has appeared in California.

I did try to track down the relatives with trees containing Gordon and Albert Pope but have only made contact with one person to date who I don't think is related to the Plymouth Pope...

I guess there are challenges researching on the other side of the Atlantic sometimes.

[J.J.]

  This thread has a lot of information researched & found for you! Plus, you seemed to want to round it out with more info from Canada, which we've all happily found for you, including entry to Canada from polarbear above, and all results on the previous page proving their entry to the U.S. and subsequently the son Gordon's lengthy career in California. They found the "right guy" in California. It's not unusual to find discrepancies in some information, but there are a lot on that census alone...regardless of all that I'm 99% sure all information found by rootschatters still fits in to pointing to the same couple.
  There were several other Albert Edwards, so if you have information to correct the FS tree, you should contact them & talk it over)
  However if you are that doubtful, you might consider that they could have juggled all that info because either he or she did not want to be found after leaving England...so if something happened back in England you must research that reason for yourself.

[overlandermatt]

Thanks JJ for your latest. I hope you don't feel I was being critical of the help here in Roots Chat. Anything but! The assistance here has been great - it always is. Apologies if my message suggested otherwise.

It was just my observation that the tree in Family Search had identified the wrong Albert Pope in the UK. I'm sure that all of the information collected on him from the time of his marriage in the UK to his life in the US and Canada is correct. I just question what came before the marriage and the tree in links to a family in Bristol rather than Plymouth. Everything about the Albert Pope here looks to be correct - it's just the details on the tree don't add up prior to the move across to Canada.

[J.J.]

Well, you had said that YOU'D found the right guy... but it was all of the above.
BTW, you were pointed to the entry into the U.S. which I'll post & it does say Plymouth.
So go in to the results of this url and hit the turquoise button that says "Attach to tree" & attach it.
You can also make changes to his place of birth, etc, or ask the tree owner to do it.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKQM-5ZQK?treeref=MZVN-21Y&lang=en

[overlandermatt]

Thanks for that - it's good to see and something that is not readily available to me here in the UK. There's plenty in the US and Canadian sources that have kindly been identified here to link Albert and Emily to Plymouth. It's been interesting to see where they went after leaving the UK.

I'm not a regular user of Family Search and have not updated anyone else's trees previously. I think the owner of the tree in question is someone that I contacted through Ancestry. I mentioned there was a problem with the Albert not being from Bristol and therefore not necessarily the person that was linked to their family.

[J.J.]

Modified:
  Well, a bit of "learn to do by doing" required then... You'll have to sign up

adding !!! Don't add any of this next stuff yet!!!

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revising: Just do the one change for now, as it proves his Plymouth origins...and if you are comfortable with it, add more to his basic page info a bit at a time...same with Emily. Adding what you know to be true...but if he's chasing the wrong ancestors, it would be best to point it out to them again rather than deleting any ancestors yourself. There should be email or chat info connected to the username  in order to contact them about it... J.J.


adding to help you confirm to the tree owner, attach these souces:
Naturalization - California can  be attached to him. Says b. 21 Apr 1890 Plymouth!
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6RBF-9DYL
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS9H-8X5L

More that you can attach to tree...b. 21 Apr 1890 England d. 26 Sep 1973
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VGTS-S7G

[J.J.]

overlandermatt was looking for the son of Benjamin Thomas Pope, who has been found in Canada, then California. This is a different one, for others searching

There was another man in Ontario with same name, etc.
Posting because I found these, altho not related to the post, but for others searching

adding this one...another Albert Edward Pope
a ww1 C.E.F. signup Sept. 1915 Toronto, ontario - says b. May 14 1888
Portsmouth, Hampshire , England    Unit: 81st Battalion
father: John POPE  GLYST. COTTAGE Manor Rd. HAYLING ISLAND HAMPSHIRE
says single/florist/Gardener  born May 14th Plymouth?  https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.redirect?app=pffww&id=579034&lang=eng&ecopy=B7901-S002
Discharged unfit for duty 1919 & the gas shell discharge would have weakened his lungs

Married Lillie Henderson Brampton Ontario 1920-parents John Pope & Mary ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9ST-RFKN

small tree with death of a child
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pedigree/landscape/GYKN-LC4

adding: His early death has Parents John Pope, Mary Matilda Langdon
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6FM3-SQV

and that last entry was attached to THIS tree...
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/G5NQ-LTH
 
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 and another Albert Edward Pope b. 1882 Westcliffe or Nunhead -sign-up Regina sask
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.redirect?app=pffww&id=579035&lang=eng&ecopy=581435a