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Confusing Birthplace Name - 1851 Census
« on: Tuesday 21 October 25 17:15 BST (UK) »
I'm trying to figure out the birthplace of my 4th great grandfather Elisha Kinsey.  His 1851 Census data has his birthplace listed as what looks like ... Staffordshire, Webstanty (see attached photo). 

I can't figure out what 'Webstanty' refers to... maybe I'm reading it wrong.

Any suggestions as to location?

Thanks,

Phil

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Re: Confusing Birthplace Name - 1851 Census
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 21 October 25 17:23 BST (UK) »
There’s a christening with a matching date at Keele, Staffordshire, and a Geneanet tree has his birthplace as Wolstanton.

Added: the christening record for Elisha Kinsey 1799 has his parents as Israel Kinsey and Alice Pepper. Although Israel seems to have been baptised in Leek, his marriage and his death are recorded in Wolstanton.
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Re: Confusing Birthplace Name - 1851 Census
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 21 October 25 17:37 BST (UK) »
This looks to be a report of his death, in case you haven't seen it.

17 September 1853: Staffordshire Advertiser
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SUDDEN DEATH.—On Monday evening last, as Elisha Kinsey, a labourer, aged 54, who had been living in the Dudley-road, was attending a private meeting in Bell Chapel, Wednesfield Heath, and was standing and speaking in his usual health, he fell down and suddenly expired.
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Re: Confusing Birthplace Name - 1851 Census
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 21 October 25 19:59 BST (UK) »
Thanks, these replies help a lot. 

Wolstanton does seem likely and I'll look into that.

I have seen his death report in the newspaper... such a sudden way to pass away.

Phil


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Re: Confusing Birthplace Name - 1851 Census
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 22 October 25 05:29 BST (UK) »
Elishas Burial is on FreeREG 18 Sep 1853, age 54, Occup. Minister

Israel and Alice married 06 May 1781 St Margaret Wolstanton

Now there is another Marriage same Church quite a bit later to Sarah BIRCH 11 Apr 1814
Israel a Widower, Sarah a spinster

On FreeREG also bapt of MORIAH 08 Aug 1790 to Israel/Alice

ISRAEL was buried 25 Apr 1838 age 81, abode Knutton Heath
(c 1757)
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SARAH, wife of Israel buried 17 May 1835 age 69 abode Chesterton
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Re: Confusing Birthplace Name - 1851 Census
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 22 October 25 11:31 BST (UK) »
re reply #2
I was hoping to identify Bell Chapel on an old map, but the maps of that area at NLS are relatively late. This is the only clue that I have found:

The Episcopal Recorder: 23-02-1850
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CHANGES.—The Norfolk Chronicle says, "Bell Chapel, Wednesfield-heath, Wolverhampton, formerly a Huntingdonian and latterly a Methodist place of worship, was opened for Divine service under license from the Bishop of the diocese on Sunday, being intended to be used as a Chapel of ease to Wednesfield Church."
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Re: Confusing Birthplace Name - 1851 Census
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 22 October 25 16:24 BST (UK) »
Unless there was a local place in Wolstanton with a name that looks like 'Wolstanty' (the 'o' looks like 'e' - see Staffordshire on the left - and the 'b' could also be an 'ls'), I think the person who wrote the information was meant to write Wolstanton, because Elisha's brother Joseph, born c. 2 years before him, was born in Wolstanton, according to the 1851 Census

Joseph Kinsey
Census • England and Wales, Census, 1851

Name   Joseph Kinsey
Sex   Male
Age   54
Birth Year (Estimated)   1797
Birthplace   Wolstanton, Staffordshire
Marital Status   Married
Occupation   Coal Dealer
Relationship to Head of Household   Head
Event Type   Census
Event Date   1851
Event Place   Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England
Event Place (Original)   Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England
Line Number   11
Page Number   36
Piece/Folio   2002 / 492
Registration Number   HO107

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Re: Confusing Birthplace Name - 1851 Census
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 22 October 25 16:50 BST (UK) »
This is great information and really helps. 

I found the christening in Keele on FindMyPast but the record says parents are Isreal and LUCY.   

Is it likely that Alice Pepper would have used the name Lucy or should I be looking elsewhere?

Thanks again for everyone's help.  I'm leaning so much about how to triangulate things to verify facts.

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Re: Confusing Birthplace Name - 1851 Census
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 22 October 25 17:16 BST (UK) »

I found the christening in Keele on FindMyPast but the record says parents are Isreal and LUCY.   

Is it likely that Alice Pepper would have used the name Lucy or should I be looking elsewhere?

Apologies, I think this is my fault, I conflated records as I was composing my post. You are correct that the christening record says Lucy, even though everything else points to the mother being Alice Pepper. I suppose it is possible that she called herself Lucy at that time.
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