Author Topic: Catharina Margharetha Friedricke Hadde b. abt. 1832 Oldenburg, Lower Saxony.  (Read 358 times)

Offline Higpoidius

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 203
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Can anyone help with this?

Catharina Margharetha Friedricke Hadde m. Rolfs Mammen (Mamme Roolfs Mammen) 1857, Whitechapel, London.
On the 1861 census she gives her b. as 1822, on the 1871 census b. is 1832, both in Oldenburg. Can't find her on the 1851 UK census.

Looking for her parents/family. Any help greatly appreciated.

Online BumbleB

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,820
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Catharina Margharetha Friedricke Hadde b. abt. 1832 Oldenburg, Lower Saxony.
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 21 October 25 14:26 BST (UK) »
Purchase of the marriage certificate should hopefully give you the names of fathers.  :)

June quarter 1857 - Whitechapel RD - page 273

 Rolfs or Rolphs Mammen and Catharine Hadde/Catherine Hadde
Transcriptions and NBI are merely finding aids.  They are NOT a substitute for original record entries.
Remember - "They'll be found when they want to be found" !!!
If you don't ask the question, you won't get an answer.
He/she who never made a mistake, never made anything.
Archbell - anywhere, any date
Kendall - WRY
Milner - WRY
Appleyard - WRY

Offline Higpoidius

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 203
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Catharina Margharetha Friedricke Hadde b. abt. 1832 Oldenburg, Lower Saxony.
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 21 October 25 14:31 BST (UK) »
Thanks for this BumbleB.

Offline HughC

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 992
  • et patribus et posteritati
    • View Profile
Re: Catharina Margharetha Friedricke Hadde b. abt. 1832 Oldenburg, Lower Saxony.
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 22 October 25 07:23 BST (UK) »
In the German provinces,
Katharina, Katharine, Katarina, Katherina, Katerina are more likely than forms with C.
Margareta, Margarete, Margarethe are the usual spellings.
Friederike is the usual feminine form of Friedrich.
Bagwell of Kilmore & Lisronagh, Co. Tipperary;  Beatty from Enniskillen;  Brown from Preston, Lancs.;  Burke of Ballydugan, Co. Galway;  Casement in the IoM and Co. Antrim;  Davison of Knockboy, Broughshane;  Frobisher;  Guillemard;  Harrison in Co. Antrim and Dublin;  Jones around Burton Pedwardine, Lincs.;  Lindesay of Loughry;  Newcomen of Camlagh, Co. Roscommon;  Shield;  Watson from Kidderminster;  Wilkinson from Leeds


Offline Higpoidius

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 203
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Catharina Margharetha Friedricke Hadde b. abt. 1832 Oldenburg, Lower Saxony.
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 22 October 25 12:37 BST (UK) »
Thanks for this information, HughC.

Offline davecapps

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,961
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile

Offline Higpoidius

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 203
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Catharina Margharetha Friedricke Hadde b. abt. 1832 Oldenburg, Lower Saxony.
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 30 October 25 10:17 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that davecapps. Very useful.

Offline davecapps

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,961
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile

Offline Higpoidius

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 203
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Catharina Margharetha Friedricke Hadde b. abt. 1832 Oldenburg, Lower Saxony.
« Reply #8 on: Friday 31 October 25 09:53 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for this davecapps. I had come across it in my research of this Mammen line and was puzzled that some of the names didn't fit my findings. On the record for Mamme Rolfs 2nd marriage in London to Rose Ruth Dressler nee Tuffrey at St. Leonards Shoreditch, 13 Aug 1899, he states that his father is Johan Teoppels Mammen, weaver. I found Johan Teoppels in the Buttforde, Lower Saxony records (where many of this family are from), and he and his wife Frauke Margerethe Kunstfreund did have a son Mamme Roolfs in 1831/2. It would seem that the record you sent the link to is for Johan Teoppels' brother Warner Rohlfs (1805 - 1836). One of the witnesses is another brother, Rolef Behrend Mammen (1788-1852). It has taken me some time to untangle all this, as the records are often very confusing: the families in this Lower Saxony area sometimes give the father's surname to a child, and sometimes the father's christian name as the child's surname. Thus a Mamme Rohlf could name a son with Rohlf as the surname, or use the Mamme to make Mammen. Sometimes they even take the mother's name, presumably to keep open an important female line. It makes record hunting very interesting... The Catherina Margaretha Friedricke Hadde line is still eluding me, even with this knowledge!
Many thanks again for your research into this problem.