Tregaron Williams strange?

[ashtayl04]

Hello, i’ve been on a mission to find the Parent’s of my Third Great Grandfather John Owen Williams,

I’m not sure on his definitive birth year or location but on the 1911 census he’s given his birth and location as 1869 in Tregaron, Cardiganshire

In 1921 he’s given his birth year as 1866 in New Quay, Cardiganshire

I found him in 1891 in Porth, Pontypridd living alongside other occupants as a boarder in a household with an occupation “Clerk” with a Esther & John Williams and their sons Idris and John

He married Elizabeth Harris on the 5th June 1892 in Llanwonno and gave his abode as Porth and his father as William Williams (Deceased)

So it’s been a bit of a tricky one,

I found an 1881 census for a john O wiliams living with Anne Williams in Mill Street, Tregaron, birth location New Quay, birth year 1868

Is anyone able to work out this puzzle?

[ShaunJ]

I found an 1881 census for a john O wiliams living with Anne Williams in Mill Street, Tregaron, birth location New Quay, birth year 1868

Anne Williams wife 46 Hawker's wife born Mathry, Pembrokeshire
John O Williams son 13 born New Quay, Cardiganshire

Following that lead back to 1871 in Tregarron:

William Williams 42 Earthen ware dealer, born Cardigan Town
Anne Williams wife 42 from Mathry, Pembrokeshire
Mary A Williams 16  born Newquay, Cardiganshire
Ellinor Williams 10 born Cilcenin, Cardiganshire
Jane Wiliams  8  born Newquay
John Owens -   7 born Newquay

[ShaunJ]

New Quay was in Aberayron RD.

This GRO birth looks likely:

WILLIAMS, JOHN  OWEN     Mother's maiden name OWENS 
GRO Reference: 1866  J Quarter in ABERAYRON  Volume 11B  Page 50
 

[ashtayl04]

Hello Shaun, Thank you for your fast response,

This is a very strong possibility, i’m just trying to decipher why he’s placed his birth location as tregaron on 1891,1901,1911 and than New Quay in 1921?

Following a search into the people that he is lodging with in 1891, his birth date is given 1870, Esther Wife of head he is lodging with is not only also a williams, but born in Tregaron too, in 1851 tracing a possible search backwards shows john Williams the head’s father being William Williams, and than hints take me to an 1841 census with a william williams as a head with a son named william and a son named john, but not 100% certain its a good lead because its common surnames

Is their anyway you might be able to find a death reg for the william williams you’ve found? We know he died before 1892 due to his son’s Marriage cert marking him as deceased

[ashtayl04]

https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/47301251?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a224171582b79544f6957306a7734362f306a53725463652b61767147504e3932564d6c71677a575556684a513d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d

John Owen in 1891

[ashtayl04]

https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/47301275?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a227273356f42655459314b48726f464172346f774d6331346e33305a6c4f6f57434c56314653583442314f553d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d

Marriage of John Owen and Elizabeth Harris

[ashtayl04]

Can you link in the above records to the ones you’ve found in some way?

[ShaunJ]

1861 census in Cilcennin:

William Williams 33  Earthen and Ware Dealer, born Town of Cardigan      
Anne Williams 33 born Mathry, Pembrokeshire
Phepe Williams 10 born Mathry, Pembrokeshire   
Aenion Williams  9  born Mathry, Pembrokeshire   
Mary Ann Williams 6   Llanerchayron, Cardiganshire   
John George Williams   3 born Cilcennin, Cardiganshire

[ShaunJ]

Mary Ann Williams was married in January 1877 at Tregaron to Joseph Edwards, a mason. Her father William Williams, a hawker.

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBPRS%2FWAL%2F4214730%2F00193&parentid=GBPRS%2FM%2F876003176%2F2