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Silk Winders
« on: Monday 20 October 25 13:31 BST (UK) »
Hello,Can anyone tell me if you were a silk winder circa 1891 ,would  you be working from home or employed in a mill as my grandmother used to do this  somewhere near Wheelock in Sandbach Cheshire she was aged 10 ,can you also tell me  if there was a  silk mill near there
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Re: Silk Winders
« Reply #1 on: Monday 20 October 25 13:38 BST (UK) »
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« Reply #2 on: Monday 20 October 25 14:17 BST (UK) »
Thanks Alan ,great find
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Re: Silk Winders
« Reply #3 on: Monday 20 October 25 15:24 BST (UK) »
I was intrigued as to whether a girl of that age could work in a factory by that date. I found that in 1891 the Factory and Workshop Act 1891 (Royal Assent 5th August 1891) raised the minimum legal working age from ten to eleven years old. This Act built upon the earlier Factory and Workshop Act 1878 which had already consolidated prior laws forbidding the employment of children under ten.

So a girl who was ten at the time of the 1891 census was able to work legally, but–depending upon the date of her eleventh birthday–may have become illegal for a few months.
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Re: Silk Winders
« Reply #4 on: Monday 20 October 25 15:29 BST (UK) »
Hello Alan ,in the 1891 cencus it says she was a silk winder and scholar her name was Susan Maxted and i think they lived at Wheelock Wharf Sandbach(not sure as no  access to 1891 cencus anymore)
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« Reply #5 on: Monday 20 October 25 16:00 BST (UK) »
She is listed as silk winder and scholar, as is her elder sister Martha 12. This reflects the fact that the provisions of Factory and Education Acts meant that these young children were employed half-time and were expected to be in school for the other half.

The family were living in Brook Terrace. The map below is a 25 inch map from around that time. Brook Terrace isn't labelled but it seems to be those houses immediately to the right of the 'k' of Wheelock – slide the slider to reveal a modern map where it is labelled.

If you head north on what is now Crewe Road, past the Nag's Head, over the bridge (River Wheelock), past the Methodist Chapel and up to the next bridge over the canal you will see the Silk Mill to the NE.  Now zoom out a little and to the west you will see Wheelock Forge and Salt Works. To the NE beyond the Silk Mill is the Old Salt Works. Susan's father is described as an alkali worker – he probably worked at one of these plants, where local salt (sodium chloride) would be converted to the alkali caustic soda (sodium hydroxide).

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16.8&lat=53.12936&lon=-2.37640&layers=168&b=osm&o=100
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Re: Silk Winders
« Reply #6 on: Monday 20 October 25 16:27 BST (UK) »
Thanks again Alan , great work and many thanks
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« Reply #7 on: Monday 20 October 25 17:48 BST (UK) »
Returning to your original question, I got an answer from an AI about the job of a silk winder. It clearly wasn’t something that was done at home.
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A **silk winder** was a worker in the historical silk textile industry responsible for **winding silk thread onto spools or bobbins** before it moved on to later stages of production such as twisting, doubling, or weaving. The role often involved operating a winding frame or reel that transferred raw or cleaned silk from skeins or hanks onto bobbins in preparation for twisting or weaving.[1][2]

### Nature of the Work
Winding was considered the **first and simplest step** in silk processing and was typically performed by **young women or children** in factories or mills during the 18th and 19th centuries. Workers monitored multiple reels, ensuring smooth and even winding, detangling knots, and maintaining thread tension. Breaks in the silk were repaired manually by rejoining fine filaments, requiring dexterity and patience.[2][5][6]

### Working Conditions
The occupation was part of a larger silk “throwing” process, where winding, doubling, and twisting occurred in sequence. Winding rooms were usually on the upper floors of silk mills, where girls and women attended to their reels and bobbins powered by machinery. The work was repetitive and could involve long hours, often in warm and humid environments needed to keep the silk pliable.[6]

In summary, a **silk winder** prepared raw or cleaned silk for the next industrial stages by winding it carefully onto bobbins, forming a vital early link in the silk production chain.

Sources
[1] Dictionary of Old Occupations - S https://www.familyresearcher.co.uk/glossary/Dictionary-of-Old-Occupations-jobs-beginning-S5.html
[2] 371.—Silk Winders, Cleaners, and Doublers - DOOT http://doot.spub.co.uk/code.php?value=371
[3] Old Occupations - S https://rmhh.co.uk/occup/s.html
[4] Dictionary of Old Occupations - W https://www.familyresearcher.co.uk/glossary/Dictionary-of-Old-Occupations-jobs-beginning-W4.html
[5] Child Employment in the Silk Industry 1815-1871 – Part 1 https://pasttopresentgenealogy.co.uk/2016/11/01/child-employment-in-the-silk-industry-1815-1871-part-1/
[6] Silk throwing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_throwing
[7] 398.—Other Skilled Workers - DOOT http://doot.spub.co.uk/code.php?value=398
[8] Some old job titles from the textile industries. https://www.weasteheritagetrail.co.uk/Resources/some-old-job-titles-from-the-textile-industries/index.htm
[9] List of Old English Occupations and descriptions http://www.worldthroughthelens.com/family-history/old-occupations.php
[10] Resources - Old Occupations http://explorers.mlfhs.org.uk/explorer_resource_occupations.htm
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Re: Silk Winders
« Reply #8 on: Monday 20 October 25 18:07 BST (UK) »
Thanks Alan ,very interesting
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