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Occupation in census help
« on: Sunday 19 October 25 18:55 BST (UK) »
Hello all, wondering if anyone with more experienced eyes can decipher Joseph Carnall's occupation in this 1841 census? He's the second entry down on the left.  It's in Stoke so lots of pottery-related jobs, but not sure if he's in that industry. He dies a few years later so there's no 1851 census to compare it to. Thank you, much appreciated!

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Re: Occupation in census help
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 19 October 25 20:40 BST (UK) »
Manufa[cturer]  ?

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« Reply #2 on: Sunday 19 October 25 20:47 BST (UK) »
Yes I agree - manufacturer.

Possible mention in the Gazette in 1825: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/18110/page/318
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Re: Occupation in census help
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 19 October 25 20:58 BST (UK) »
Whilst this does not match what is written as occupation, Joseph's address in 1841 is Furnace Road Brough Bridge, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England.

A daughter Mary baptised 23rd February 1840 abode Furnace Road, father's occupation Potter

CARNALL, MARY       mmn WARRILOW 
GRO Reference: 1840  M Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT  Volume 17  Page 174

The above digital £3 gro image for Mary's birth may well give a different occupation


A son born to them in 1846 called Enoch Richard Carnall, his father Joseph occupation "Potter" abode furnace road.

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Re: Occupation in census help
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 19 October 25 21:19 BST (UK) »
Ah, that's amazing work, thank you so much to all! Much appreciated. I would not have seen manufacturer in a million years - and that notice in the Gazette is so interesting and I think correct as the family later have links to Lane End.

I will also look up those birth records - I don't know if something's gone awry with my research as I thought his wife's maiden name was Hollins. Perhaps she died and he remarried another Mary. Not sure but I will look it all up, thank you.

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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 19 October 25 21:25 BST (UK) »
A Joseph Carnel married a Mary Wirrilow 30th August 1832 Stoke on Trent, St Peter Ad Vincula so he may well have been a widower at marriage as in 1841 census there are children born pre 1832

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Re: Occupation in census help
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 19 October 25 21:33 BST (UK) »
It does look like manufacturer. I found a burial for Joseph 1/7/1849 age 59 Furnace Road,Longton, St James, Staffordshire. Also a marriage to Mary Wood 20/10/1816 St Peter Ad Vincula. Witnesses Samuel Poulson and Robert Wood. A baptism 24/4/1791 Trentham, father Thomas Carnall mother Cath.  As mentioned Joseph Carnall late of Lane End, potter named in a list of Insolvent Debtors to appear at the Court House Stafford 18/3/1825.  This appeared in Aris's Birmingham Gazette of 7/3/1825.

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« Reply #7 on: Monday 20 October 25 00:36 BST (UK) »
Marriage 9 Feb 1812  Bagnall: St Chad
Joseph CARNELL (of Stoke) and Mary HOLLINS (of Stoke)

Children baptised Longton (possibly missing some?)
•   John 1813; died 1818
•   James 1815
•   Thomas 1817
•   Harriet 1818
•   Herbert 1822
•   Samuel 1826
•   Edmund 1829

Mary Carnall (nee Hollins) may have died around 1826-1832, but I did NOT find a burial record.
[I can see several Carnall burials with an address of Lane End, but no Mary. Was she know by another name?]

Marriage 20 Aug 1832  Stoke-upon-Trent: St Peter ad Vincula
Joseph CARNEL (bachelor) and Mary WARRILOW (spinster)

Children baptised Longton
•   Henry 1832
•   Job 1833, died 1833
•   Stephen 1836
•   Elizabeth 1837(birth rego Mmn Warrilow)
•   Mary 1840 (birth rego Mmn Warrilow)
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Occupation in census help
« Reply #8 on: Monday 20 October 25 07:16 BST (UK) »
Whilst no seemingly gro birth entry don’t forget Enoch Richard Carnall 1846. Died aged 7 in 1854 stoke.

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