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Re: Help needed tracing somene who disappears from the records
« Reply #18 on: Monday 20 October 25 16:13 BST (UK) »
Yes it was 53 Holloway Road, it's now a probation service office! the family home was fuuther north of the Seven Sisters Road.

Denner's mother's name was Wisby but thanks anyway.

He does just seem to vanish into thin air. If the info on the 1911 census is right and the father says that one of his sons is dead then Denner Gough must have died by 1911 but why is there no record of the death? He might have changed his name and he could have left London but where to? So it might never be possible to trace him.

What's interesting about the family is that when Denner's grandmother Mary Rebecca Wisby died in 1879 its not clear what happened to the money she left (she owned four houses and a shoemaking business) and her son-in-law John Gough was one of the executors (and he bought a tobacconist the following year!). Mary's husband James Wisby who died in 1878 also used the name James Howard in his business and so for years after he and his wife died the whole family added Howard to their surname as Howard Wisby or Wisby Howard or just changed it to Howard, maybe in the vague hope that they might inherit some of the money if they did but no one seemed to benefit from it except John Gough and Caroline.

It's equally odd that his son should disappear with no trace bearing in mind his father worked in the legal profession


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Re: Help needed tracing somene who disappears from the records
« Reply #19 on: Monday 20 October 25 16:17 BST (UK) »
GOUGH, JOHN       
Mother's Maiden Surname: MORRELL 
GRO Reference: 1873  J Quarter in KENSINGTON  Volume 01A  Page 41

So his age would fit the 1898 death and burial.
Was it this chap who died in 1898, or Denner, or someone else? :-\

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Re: Help needed tracing somene who disappears from the records
« Reply #20 on: Monday 20 October 25 16:49 BST (UK) »
Thanks deejayEn, every piece of information is helpful.

Given that he died before 1911 and can't be found under his real name in the 1901 Census, it's possible that he died before the 1901 Census (unless he changed his name and, as you say, it could be easier for his father as a solicitor's clerk - btw, one census record says he was a solicitor's managing clerk at a Brewery Co.)

This chap could be a possibility (don't buy his death record before we dig deeper ;D)

Deaths Mar 1901   (>99%)
Gough    George    25    Strand    1b   406

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Re: Help needed tracing somene who disappears from the records
« Reply #21 on: Monday 20 October 25 17:00 BST (UK) »
I bit the bullet and bought the death certificate of the John Gough who died in 1898

Rosie99 often suggests copying up the relevant info from wrong certificates as a postem on FreeBMD. Excellent advice! That way other people may still benefit.


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Re: Help needed tracing somene who disappears from the records
« Reply #22 on: Monday 20 October 25 17:02 BST (UK) »
Gaugh on findmypast and FS (this link doesn't seem to be working right now)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:3Y12-W6Z

The link seems to be good now!

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Re: Help needed tracing somene who disappears from the records
« Reply #23 on: Monday 20 October 25 18:41 BST (UK) »
John George Gough? Or son Denner (alias George)?

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Re: Help needed tracing somene who disappears from the records
« Reply #24 on: Friday 24 October 25 16:22 BST (UK) »
Any clues here?

Pressure of the Rates

... Bus Accident in Shoreditch. While driving on a motor bn- through si street in Shoreditch on Saturday last, Mr. Montague Howard Gough, aged 22, of Holloway, stood up and his head came in contact with a projecting substance which caused severe injuries. ...

Published: Saturday 26 January 1907
Newspaper: Shoreditch Observer
County: London, England
Type: Article | Words: 1576 | Page: 6

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Re: Help needed tracing somene who disappears from the records
« Reply #25 on: Friday 24 October 25 19:05 BST (UK) »
Well done for finding that cutting. That is Denner's younger brother Montague, he survived the accident, got married in 1910 and lived until 1963.

I looked at the other suggestions and don't think they can be Denner Gough under a new name as the other family members and ages don't match up.

So it remains a mystery, but an intruiging one.