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Re: Help needed tracing somene who disappears from the records
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 19 October 25 19:17 BST (UK) »
PatLac - that cutting looks good, thank you, and the 1898 death of John Gough a good possibility. He may have changed his name to John like his father and it woud fit in with why he's not on the 1901 census.

I discovered that his father John Gough's brother died when he was just 15, so it's possible that there was some hereditry condition in the family.




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« Reply #10 on: Sunday 19 October 25 20:07 BST (UK) »
There is also this record, you could try to see the detais.


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Re: Help needed tracing somene who disappears from the records
« Reply #11 on: Monday 20 October 25 09:25 BST (UK) »
The old bailey record doesn't have much more info, other than that he was employed by the post office
https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/record/t18920502-464?text=Gough

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Re: Help needed tracing somene who disappears from the records
« Reply #12 on: Monday 20 October 25 15:00 BST (UK) »
Thanks, jorose. He's probably this chap, qualified in January 1892 as a sorter.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/26246/page/263

The death of John Gough in 1898 was registered at Shoreditch which is nearby the Post Office (1.2 m).

We need more evidence though.

Maybe there's more information in the files on Ancestry and FindMyPast? (unfortunately I don't have a subscription)

Does 'lodgings' suggest he was living alone?


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Re: Help needed tracing somene who disappears from the records
« Reply #13 on: Monday 20 October 25 15:41 BST (UK) »
There's a sort of parish index to St Pancras cemetery burials of that time on ancestry.
Just says
6 December (1898)
John Gough
Age 25
Residence Shoreditch
District Parish EP (extra parochial)

In St Pancras in 1891, living with family, is a John Gough, 17, Letter(s) Sorter, born London Marylebone.
Gaugh on findmypast and FS (this link doesn't seem to be working right now)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:3Y12-W6Z

So he might be the post office chap, and, if he can't be found later, could be a candidate for the 1898 death.

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Re: Help needed tracing somene who disappears from the records
« Reply #14 on: Monday 20 October 25 15:44 BST (UK) »
I bit the bullet and bought the death certificate of the John Gough who died in 1898 but it isn't the right person. So the person in the old bailey case is probably someone else. Good detective work though, thanks for the suggestions.

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« Reply #15 on: Monday 20 October 25 15:45 BST (UK) »
Sorry :(

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Re: Help needed tracing somene who disappears from the records
« Reply #16 on: Monday 20 October 25 15:56 BST (UK) »
In St Pancras in 1891, living with family, is a John Gough, 17, Letter(s) Sorter, born London Marylebone.
Gaugh on findmypast and FS (this link doesn't seem to be working right now)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:3Y12-W6Z

Not quite Marylebone, but this might be him
GOUGH, JOHN       
Mother's Maiden Surname: MORRELL 
GRO Reference: 1873  J Quarter in KENSINGTON  Volume 01A  Page 41
 
Siblings registered in Marylebone and a marriage of a Henry Gough and Hannah Morrell in 1858.

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Re: Help needed tracing somene who disappears from the records
« Reply #17 on: Monday 20 October 25 16:07 BST (UK) »
deejayEn,

Do you know the address of Caroline Gough's tobacconist shop?