Marriage certificates

[overlandermatt]

That's a fair summary of the next couple of chapters! You're correct about the date leaving HMS Caernarvon.

It's an interesting piece on HMS Impregnable. From this man's perspective, his grandfather also served aboard an earlier Impregnable. I was never quite sure how this time aboard worked - the men were able to go home on a regular basis but I'm not sure of the details...

From the attestation pack of documents held for Arthur Pope, I have a few more details about his movements before 1939. He moved to Heavitree Road in Kingsand at some stage after 1922 and he is there in 1932 when he leaves the Royal Marines to move up to Gosport where he joins the Royal Marines Police. 

[Jon_ni]

I hadn't seen your research on Lives of the First World War and one of your replies on RMHistoricalSociety was suggested when googled 'Royal Marine Attestation Packs'
https://livesofthefirstworldwar.iwm.org.uk/lifestory/6913613
since indexed & summarised by Findmypast https://findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBM/LIVES/6913613

I have a distant relative who served in the Marines, unfortunately can't recall who right now. Likely the RM Registers of Marriage did not apply as never seen those before. Clearly states he married with permission of commanding officer so that had no bearing on the Licence haste vs Banns either.

Nice set of medals, I have my great-grandfather's Boer War DCM group. Dad knew no background. Had his 1904 marriage cert, but no idea when/where born or when/where died sometime before Nov 1914. So the medals and marriage certs passed on 1979 via his widow then younger son, are what started me off researching later, photographed here https://www.angloboerwar.com/forum/5-medals-and-awards/25420-dcms-for-the-boer-war?start=114

[Gan Yam]

Just to add another perspective to marrying by licence and as someone who has done just that, albeit by civil licence, there may be no reason  other than the couple decided, in the spur of the moment, it was a good idea and wanted to be married!

[overlandermatt]

Thanks Jon. You have unearthed a few more details - there are plenty of threads on here relating to a number of RM ancestors.

Interesting about your great grandfather in Africa. That seems to be the only continent my RM ancestors did not get to. Khartoum always looks an interesting place and I've seen a few articles on the campaigns there in recent times.

Regarding the wedding, it may well have been a spur of the moment decision from what my father tells me.

I've noticed that not many of these relatives got to meet their grandparents - at best there might have been one still alive. In the case of my grandmother Dorothy, her 94-year old grandmother was still alive at the time of the wedding in March 1919. I did wonder whether she would have attended. She died later that year, a couple of weeks after her 92-year old third husband. It seems a good story. My grandmother herself died aged 94 in Plymouth.

[overlandermatt]

Just to add another perspective to marrying by licence and as someone who has done just that, albeit by civil licence, there may be no reason  other than the couple decided, in the spur of the moment, it was a good idea and wanted to be married!

That could well be the case! Presumably there would have been a general increase in people getting married with the return of so many men at the end of the war.

[hanes teulu]

Western Morning News, 30 Aug 1921

[hanes teulu]

There's a court case in the Western Morning News, 14 July 1900, of an attempted murder at the Admiral's Hard in Plymouth. One witness was a "William Edward Brock, boatman". There's a William Brock, boatman, on the 1901 Census, 34 Chapel Street, East Stonehouse with wife Mary J and a daughter Dorothy E.
Very probably "your" Dorothy's family?

[overlandermatt]

Thanks Hanes Teulu.

I had seen the sudden death report previously but not the attempted murder case. That looks interesting! I've not done too much digging into William Edward Brock but his name features in the newspapers a few years later in the sorry case of his son's death following eating some canned tomatoes.

In the course of my research into these ancestors, I'm always struck by how fragile their lives were. So many were there one day and just gone the next...