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Mort cloth records
« on: Thursday 16 October 25 19:13 BST (UK) »
I understand that although there may not be records for burials in 17th century Scotland, there may be records of who used the parish mort cloth. From what I have learnt, this record would possibly be within the Kirk Session records.
Do you think it would be listed on a week by week basis and recorded along with the general business, or would there be a separate record containing only, details of the mort cloth users?
Thanks in advance
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Re: Mort cloth records
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 16 October 25 19:22 BST (UK) »
Do you think it would be listed on a week by week basis and recorded along with the general business, or would there be a separate record containing only, details of the mort cloth users?
Thanks in advance

Unfortunately there is no "simple" answer - the result depends entirely on which Parish. Some parishes preferred one method while others used something different. Also in some places the records have been lost.
Your really need to check the Parish records held on Scotlands People and look at the Parishes you are interested in to get a feel of how they kept their records.

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Re: Mort cloth records
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 16 October 25 19:25 BST (UK) »
Thankyou RJ_Paton
I will do that
Mayhew,Birch,Coates,Norman - Suffolk
Masters - Somerset
Richardson, Masters, Langridge, Dyer, Chambers - Sussex
Dyer, Luscombe, Hurrell - Devon
Chambers - Brecon
Lambden, Hawkins - Berkshire
Biggs, Cooper, Druce, Hedges, Haywood, Francis,Ward, Skidmore, Pinfold, Dorn, Gardener, Hopgood - Oxfordshire
Francis, Clarke - Lambeth/Surrey
Rowland, Emmett, Lockhart - Southwark/Middlesex
Simpson, Exall, Mann, Frisby,  - Kent
Ward, Teasdale, Smalwood - Yorkshire
Tomkins, Bayliss - Warwickshire

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Re: Mort cloth records
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 16 October 25 19:34 BST (UK) »
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Your really need to check the Parish records held on Scotlands People and look at the Parishes you are interested in to get a feel of how they kept their records.
The mortcloth payments are usually in the Kirk Session minutes and accounts which are in the Virtual Volumes section of Scotland's People.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.


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Re: Mort cloth records
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 16 October 25 19:46 BST (UK) »
Thank you Forfarian.
I have read through the Kirk Sessions for Dunfermline a few times and there appears to be nothing in the main body of the minutes regarding mort cloths, hence my wondering if they might be kept as a separate record.
I will persevere though 😁
Mayhew,Birch,Coates,Norman - Suffolk
Masters - Somerset
Richardson, Masters, Langridge, Dyer, Chambers - Sussex
Dyer, Luscombe, Hurrell - Devon
Chambers - Brecon
Lambden, Hawkins - Berkshire
Biggs, Cooper, Druce, Hedges, Haywood, Francis,Ward, Skidmore, Pinfold, Dorn, Gardener, Hopgood - Oxfordshire
Francis, Clarke - Lambeth/Surrey
Rowland, Emmett, Lockhart - Southwark/Middlesex
Simpson, Exall, Mann, Frisby,  - Kent
Ward, Teasdale, Smalwood - Yorkshire
Tomkins, Bayliss - Warwickshire

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Re: Mort cloth records
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 16 October 25 20:37 BST (UK) »
Thank you Forfarian.
I have read through the Kirk Sessions for Dunfermline a few times and there appears to be nothing in the main body of the minutes regarding mort cloths, hence my wondering if they might be kept as a separate record.
I will persevere though 😁
Is there a separate accounts book?
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: Mort cloth records
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 16 October 25 23:19 BST (UK) »
Thank you Forfarian.
I have read through the Kirk Sessions for Dunfermline a few times and there appears to be nothing in the main body of the minutes regarding mort cloths, hence my wondering if they might be kept as a separate record.
I will persevere though 😁
Is there a separate accounts book?
Yes, but where the Minutes start in 1640, the accounts don’t start till 1786 😬
Mayhew,Birch,Coates,Norman - Suffolk
Masters - Somerset
Richardson, Masters, Langridge, Dyer, Chambers - Sussex
Dyer, Luscombe, Hurrell - Devon
Chambers - Brecon
Lambden, Hawkins - Berkshire
Biggs, Cooper, Druce, Hedges, Haywood, Francis,Ward, Skidmore, Pinfold, Dorn, Gardener, Hopgood - Oxfordshire
Francis, Clarke - Lambeth/Surrey
Rowland, Emmett, Lockhart - Southwark/Middlesex
Simpson, Exall, Mann, Frisby,  - Kent
Ward, Teasdale, Smalwood - Yorkshire
Tomkins, Bayliss - Warwickshire

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Re: Mort cloth records
« Reply #7 on: Friday 17 October 25 19:35 BST (UK) »
It is very variable. There are detailed 17th century burial records for some parishes. Mortcloth payments tend to be in the accounts, although sometimes no charge was made for its use and sometimes, instead of naming individuals, a total sum taken in for it in any particular month is given.

If the deceased was in receipt of a regular payment as one of the poor of the parish, there might be  reference to the payment for a coffin for them, or reference to the maintenance of any young children. No longer being on the poor roll might indicate that a person had died. Again, if there are records of annual seat rents, the disappearance of the person from the list might be an indication that they had died.

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Re: Mort cloth records
« Reply #8 on: Friday 17 October 25 19:58 BST (UK) »
Thank you GR2.
I will keep that in mind as I continue my search
Mayhew,Birch,Coates,Norman - Suffolk
Masters - Somerset
Richardson, Masters, Langridge, Dyer, Chambers - Sussex
Dyer, Luscombe, Hurrell - Devon
Chambers - Brecon
Lambden, Hawkins - Berkshire
Biggs, Cooper, Druce, Hedges, Haywood, Francis,Ward, Skidmore, Pinfold, Dorn, Gardener, Hopgood - Oxfordshire
Francis, Clarke - Lambeth/Surrey
Rowland, Emmett, Lockhart - Southwark/Middlesex
Simpson, Exall, Mann, Frisby,  - Kent
Ward, Teasdale, Smalwood - Yorkshire
Tomkins, Bayliss - Warwickshire