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Re: Who are the cousins?
« Reply #18 on: Friday 07 November 25 22:25 GMT (UK) »
Hi Kiltaglassen

In 1901 Samuel and David John are at Concord Street and it states Harbor Constable  . . .

Can you please clarify where I have gone wrong ?

Tara

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Re: Who are the cousins?
« Reply #19 on: Friday 07 November 25 22:30 GMT (UK) »
Hi Kiltaglassen

The OP on this site is asking the same questions re the family background (Wills, Cousins etc) as the person on that RIC site 🤔

Again, can you clarify where I have gone wrong ?

Thanks

Tara

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« Reply #20 on: Friday 07 November 25 22:50 GMT (UK) »
I think Kiltaglassan has deleted her reply.

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Re: Who are the cousins?
« Reply #21 on: Friday 07 November 25 22:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi Shanreagh

Thanks ☺️

Tara


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Re: Who are the cousins?
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 08 November 25 00:31 GMT (UK) »
A few years ago visiting my grandmother's half-sisters widowed husband and his granddaughter's husband as we were trying to define our relationship, he said "At his point I'd just say "This is Neal, he's a friend of your own." 

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Re: Who are the cousins?
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 08 November 25 07:47 GMT (UK) »

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His reply  ;)

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Re: Who are the cousins?
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 09 November 25 02:12 GMT (UK) »
Oh dear....ooops.

Sorry.

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Re: Who are the cousins?
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 09 November 25 02:44 GMT (UK) »
https://irishconstabulary.com/researching-harbour-constable-samuel-rea-t4140.html

Not sure if this is you or not ?

Yes, that was me  ;D

William was Samuel's best man so they were obviously very close.

I think the same! Before becoming Harbour Constable, Samuel was a labourer. His father and William were farmers. I found a Samuel and William Rea in the Griffith's Valuation for the parish of Saintfield, although I don't quite know what to do with that information yet.

https://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/z/zoomifyDynamicViewer.php?file=083164&path=./pix/083/&rs=35&showpage=1&mysession=3000040331588&width=&height=

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Re: Who are the cousins?
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 09 November 25 03:25 GMT (UK) »
Hi There,

Going back to your original questions re 'cousins' . . .

Was the full quote re Samuel and David John plus their relation as cousins to the others on an actual headstone ?

If so, my theory is a roundabout one . . .

I am guessing that Samuel and David John 'clubbed together ' to pay for a headstone . . .

Therefore they may both have wanted to relay their relation to those interred . . .

The issue then would be that there would be numerous different relationship scenarios involved . . .

Just say Samuel was the baby and William the eldest son of a large family . . . That would make those interred his siblings and David John's aunt's / uncles . . . So, how do you convey all these relationships onto one headstone . . . Maybe the solution was to simple say 'cousin' . . . Which I have seen used as a generic family tree reference . . . It even gets used these days to confer a close family friend . . .

If Samuel was half sibling to William etc and David John half nephew to all these aunts and uncles, again, how to you convey this family dynamic on a headstone (or even a newspaper article) . . . again, possibly 'cousin' was the simplest thing to do . . .

Worst case scenario, and if the relationship was a further generation out, and Samuel actually being a cousin to William, it still leads to the term 'cousin' being used . . .

I suppose what I am leading to is that fact that those interred never got married so we have no parentage for them . . .

They were also born long before official records began so no way to prove the family connection . . .

If it were MY family tree, I would lean towards putting them as full elder siblings of Samuel . . .

A 20 year difference between eldest and youngest sibling is not unheard of especially for that timeline . . . A mum having her first child at say 21 and last child well into her 40's is often seen . . .

So, to recap, in my HUMBLE 😂 opinion, Samuel and those listed were his full siblings and the term 'cousin' was used to simplify the family dynamic to include David John . . .

If David John wasn't included I would hazard a bet and say that the headstone would have stated BROTHER William . . .

I hope this rambling makes sense and I know it doesn't answer your question definitively but Hey you never know, someone may see your post and have the answer . . .

Wishing You Luck

Tara