GREENLAND - Joseph Henry (Died at Sea)

[hanes teulu]

Might be him inward to Australia
Greenland, Joseph born 1899 - departed per RHMS ELLINIS 14 May 1970 Southampton to Melbourne
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/SearchScreens/NameSearch.aspx

FindMyPast has a record (Australian) of a Joseph Henry Greenland, born 23 Nov 1899, sailing for Melbourne from Southampton, arriving Mar 1966, with the intention of taking up permanent residence - assisted passage..

Puzzled with this response. I'm pretty certain when I posted I was following Maddy52's at #9 - time 22.47. There was nothing after it. But timelines don't lie. So, with apologies for what might be another senior moment, pl. ignore my contribution!!

[kevinf2349]

Might be him inward to Australia
Greenland, Joseph born 1899 - departed per RHMS ELLINIS 14 May 1970 Southampton to Melbourne
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/SearchScreens/NameSearch.aspx

FindMyPast has a record (Australian) of a Joseph Henry Greenland, born 23 Nov 1899, sailing for Melbourne from Southampton, arriving Mar 1966, with the intention of taking up permanent residence - assisted passage..

Puzzled with this response. I'm pretty certain when I posted I was following Maddy52's at #9 - time 22.47. There was nothing after it. But timelines don't lie. So, with apologies for what might be another senior moment, pl. ignore my contribution!!

Timelines may not lie, but they can be deceiving. I believe Joseph Henry GREENLAND snr did indeed sail to Australia in 1966 with the intent to reside in Australia (according to the immigration record he filled out). However, for whatever reason he must have gone back to Blighty at some point returning to Australia (to live with his widowed daughter, Marjorie HALL (again according to his immigration card). Then he was on his way back to England when he died onboard a ship and was buried at sea.

To further compound the issue Joseph Henry GREENLAND jnr (his son) emigrated to Australia too! I just haven't investigated when he and his wife (Ellen nee MILNE) did so. I know Colin and Marjorie HALL landed in Australia in 1964.

I hope that clears things up a little.

Kindest regards
Kevin Ferguson

[sparrett]

You have not mentioned any record of the man's death.

Where was it registered? Wouldn't the ship's name be shown?

What about his estate. Will, Probate application?

There is not a record of probate being applied for in Australia, so his affairs were dealt with in UK after death.

Other than that, my suggestion in Reply #14. his grandchildren might have knowledge.

Sue





 

[kevinf2349]

You have not mentioned any record of the man's death.

Where was it registered? Wouldn't the ship's name be shown?

What about his estate. Will, Probate application?

There is not a record of probate being applied for in Australia, so his affairs were dealt with in UK after death.

Other than that, my suggestion in Reply #14. his grandchildren might have knowledge.

Sue

Hi Sue

My guess is that, as he died at sea, the death is registered in the country where the ship is registered, but I could be wrong on that. The problem is that I don't know the ship's name. I am going to look for ship arrivals in Southampton around the same date and see if that get me anywhere. Given it was in the 1970's I suspect that there weren't too many voyages in those days as plane travel was so much faster.

The GRO has no death certificate for him. I see no probate either so he could have died intestate.

I am really only in contact with the English side of the tree, and even those have no idea what happened. The one surviving child of his that I suspect could help has advanced dementia so that avenue is closed off too, sadly.

Thank you for helping.
Kindest regards

Kevin Ferguson
P.S. My children are direct line great grands to Joseph

[kevinf2349]

Folks,

I 'think' the ship in question was the S.S. Australis which departed 13th July 1971 bound for Southampton. As he died on the 14th it would seem the most likely vessel. He was one day into a eighteen day trip. He previously stated he was buried at sea (date unknown).

Thank you for all the pointers.

Kindest regards
Kevin Ferguson

[maddys52]

Newspapers say that the Australis arrived Port Melbourne from Southampton on 19 July 1971 around 7pm, and sailed for Southampton and Rotterdam at around 1am 20 July 1971.

[TreeSpirit]

On 14 Jul 1971 Joseph boarded the Fairsky in Melbourne:

https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/NAAMedia/ShowImage.aspx?B=32702427&T=P&S=2313

[sparrett]

Well Done!

And he was not departing for a visit to home, but a permanent return.

Sue

[kevinf2349]

On 14 Jul 1971 Joseph boarded the Fairsky in Melbourne:

https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/NAAMedia/ShowImage.aspx?B=32702427&T=P&S=2313

That is awesome. A little strange that he died on that day too, but ancestry is full of strange incidents!

Thank you so much for helping.

Kindest regards
Kevin Ferguson