Lettice Thomas - birth record and anything else!

[Cas (stallc)]

1841 Brawdy

If access - https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/8979/records/14355531

Benjamin Thomas 45
Elizabeth Thomas 30
John Thomas   20
Edward Thomas 14 ( this is Ann son, bapt for him online)
Ann Thomas 12
Eliza Thomas 9
Elias Thomas 4
Moses Thomas 2
Francis James 1

1851 - Swansea

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/8861/records/15636783

Benjamin Thomas 55 Head
Elizabeth Thomas 45 Wife
Moses Thomas 10 Son
Jane Thomas 8 Daughter
Elias Thomas   6   Son. (Looks like the Elias in 1841 died or was grandchild?)
Margaret Thomas 6 Daughter
Benjamin Thomas 3 Son
Alletta Thomas 1 Daughter

Not checked all for mother's maiden Nicholas on GRO

Cas

[Bilham]

Hi Cas

That's brilliant, thanks. I'm just doing gchild duties at mo. Will look in more detail as this part of my family tree is "productive" - you can tell Benjamin and his two wives had little to do in the evenings.

A question though, how is it that you can find the marriage but when I go on ancestry it doesn't come up on searches?

I'll come back with some more stuff on Benjamin's 15 children (which I fear may be wrong but can't prove anything yet!)

[Cas (stallc)]

I have a South & West Wales marriage index 1813 - 1837,  I bought years ago when not a lot was online. The marriage was from there. I cannot find it online either.

It looks like the parish of Brawdy is lacking in online records. Not finding a death for Ann.

Edward was Ann last child before death 1826 - 1827

Edward Thomas
Event Type   Baptism
Birth Date   22 Oct 1826
Birth Place   Brawdy, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Baptism Date   6 Nov 1826
Baptism Place   Brawdy, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Denomination   Independent Or Congregational
Father   Benj Thomas
Mother   Ann Thomas

Looks like Benjamin & Elizabeth in 1871

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/7618/records/7084066

[Cas (stallc)]

Just located the baptism and marriage for Elizabeth Nicholas on freereg

https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_queries/68ed5033b620e0b9f99e529a?locale=en

[Bilham]

Hi Cas
Your info is great, thanks again.
I seem to have Benjamin and Anne with seven children

• Mary 1813
  William 1815 (I have copy of the register entry)
  Mary? 1817
  John 1821
  James 1822 (parish register seen)
  Phebe 1824 (parish register seen)
  Edward 1826 (from your info already)
  

And then I have Benjamin and Elizabeth with eight and I can't find any birth records!

• Ann 1828
  Lettice 1834
  Moses 1840
  Jane 1843
  Benjamin 1844
  Elias 1847
  Margaret 1848
  Allette 1850

I know it's a huge ask, but do you have any details on these?

[Cas (stallc)]

Do you have the GRO

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

It is free to register and view index. It gives mothers maiden if married also ages at death in the early years they don't show on Freebmd.

Civil registration did not start until Sept 1837

To start off

THOMAS, MOSES    mother's maiden   NICHOLAS 
GRO Reference: 1839  J Quarter in HAVERFORDWEST  Volume 26  Page 603

Give it a go..

Birth and death certs can be purchased for £3 instant download, if wanted.

Also death for Benjamin looks to be Dec Q 1871 after census.

THOMAS, BENJAMIN    age   83  (bc 1788)
GRO Reference: 1871  D Quarter in SWANSEA  Volume 11A  Page 408

Elizabeth I cannot find in 1881 few likely deaths in Swansea

Come back if stuck..someone here will help

[Cas (stallc)]

Mary 1813

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/2972/records/854964

Still looking for John...

[Cas (stallc)]

I don't think there is a 1817 Mary, that online tree has lots of errors. I think the 1841 below is the same they put 2 Mary with different dates no death info between them.

Possible 1841 - ages can be rounded down to nearest 5 in 1841. Also lots were illiterate.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/8979/records/14355525

You have details for John in census to know he was Benjamins son.  Also marriage in 1849 in Camrose to Martha Mathias (if I remember right), names Benjamin, he was also a witness.

[Bilham]

Many thanks again Cas

You have also taught me how to obtain certificates for £3 rather than the £8 I've been paying!!

Just one final thing about Moses Thomas. I've got the birth you found in 1839 but I have still got a birth of another Moses Thomas in the parish records from 1830 for Brawdy with the parents being Benjamin Thomas (farmer) and Elizabeth. It looks like the official records are saying that they had two Moses. Here's the link
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/2972/images/40612_B0151348-00035?pId=855341