Was Frederick Sr the father?

[David Nicoll]

Hi, there is this intriguing family in the 1870 Census for
Hurley, Ulster, New York, United States on FindMyPast

Even if it is not him something to think about as I have some who did similar things to Australia and back.

Looking at the Census itself he is a Carpenter.

Did he go to the US and come back?

First name(s)   Last name   Gender   Age   Birth year   Birth place
Frederick Hales   Male           30    1840   England
Lucy   Hales   Female   30   1840            England
Lavina Hales   Female   5   1865   England
June   Hales   Female   3   1867   England
Frederick Hales   Male           1   1869   England

[mrs.tenacious]

Hi, there is this intriguing family in the 1870 Census for
Hurley, Ulster, New York, United States on FindMyPast

Even if it is not him something to think about as I have some who did similar things to Australia and back.

Looking at the Census itself he is a Carpenter.

Did he go to the US and come back?

First name(s)   Last name   Gender   Age   Birth year   Birth place
Frederick Hales   Male           30    1840   England
Lucy   Hales   Female   30   1840            England
Lavina Hales   Female   5   1865   England
June   Hales   Female   3   1867   England
Frederick Hales   Male           1   1869   England

It's worth checking out, although the birth years for Frederick Sr and Jr are slightly out, and there's no Harriett....

I currently only have an Ancestry subscription, but have been thinking about doing a free trial on FindMyPast. I'll try Ancestry first, and throw in the wife and  daughter names too, but I don't think it's the same man.

But thank you so much for taking the time to look for me!  EDIT: sadly, it's not him, but thanks again anyway x

[mrs.tenacious]

The Hales link seems valid then but I'm a little concerned as 380 isn't enough for a full 1st cousin (the range is 396-1,396), a half 1C or the child of a full 1c would fit with that amount. I've got the odd match to families with Navenby links but I don't think there's anything that crosses into your tree, at least not at a level where there is much chance of sharing DNA. I'm adopted and both my parents are NPE's so 380 is about as high as my matches go with the exception of a half sister who tested to try and help sort our tangled paternal side. 

If you have tested with Ancestry and use facebook I'd suggest looking for a group called 'DNA Family Finders UK', it's a private group with search angels who help with unknown parent/grandparent scenarios but they can help with tasks like grouping matches. Everything in the group is private and you can post anonymously if you wish. It wouldn't hurt to join and read a few posts to see what the group is about and how they may be able to help, there's no obligation to ask for help but it's an option that might be worth looking at.

Interesting what you say about the first cousin 380cM. My mum's only sibling had two daughters and this is the only one of the two who has done her DNA. My mum and aunt were the daughters of Frederick Jr's son, Sidney.

I will certainly have a look at the FB group you mention. I need somewhere like that - a place that understands what a novice I am!

Thank you so much for the time you've given trying to help me with this, I truly appreciate it. x

[mrs.tenacious]

Glen - after pressing 'Post' on my last reply to you, I realised with much embarrassment my 'senior moment' regarding my cousin.....
She is actually the daughter of one of my aunt's two children - therefore she is my first cousin once removed, and why the DNA is 380.

I shall retire gracefully now, with what's left of my dignity 

Many thanks once again x

[Glen in Tinsel Kni]

Anything closer than 2c to me is always a half relative, with 5x half 1c or half 1c1r matches it's the sort of amount I see quite often and the sort of thing I spot when others don't. If I ever get a match above 385 the shock will probably be the end of me.

I think I found your tree earlier so you might see me in the list of tree viewers if you use it, I use the same profile picture on both sites. If you ever chance upon the Chambers or Broughton surnames in the Navenby area I may have something in my tree as that's the two main names I have in that area in the mid to late 1800s.