Samuel Norman of Woburn

[softly softly]

I feel awful about this but I was right the first time - Edward and Elizabeth had many children baptised at Ridgmont including Samuel, John and Richard.  They are all buried at Husborne Crawley, Samuel in 1826 so he cant be mine. What a shame.  I thought you'd cracked it, SS.

How do you evidence that is the son of Edward & Elizabeth??

There is a marriage of a Samuel Norman in 1822 Husborne Crawley to Mary Arnold, it could be his death in 1826!

In the 1851 census John Norman son of Edward & Elizabeth has his mother aged 78 born Ridgmont living in his household. Also to note is John & Richards baptisms are registered in Ridgmont but they in census records record pob  Husborne Crawley.

SS

[Norfolk Nan]

Yes, that's the marriage but my Samuel married Mary Dawborn, not Mary Arnold.  Unfortunately for me, they married in 1828 before civil registration so I've no clue who his parents are, hence the quest for his baptism. 

Looking at the Woburn PRs there are a fair number of Norman events up to 1785 and then nothing.  I wonder if a chapel or some other religious group came into the area and the Normans joined them.  They didn't pop up in a search of non-conformist registers on Ancestry but I haven't given up. 

[softly softly]

I appreciate that "your" Samuel married in 1828 but how do you know the 1826 death is the son of Edward & Elizabeth.

SS

[Norfolk Nan]

Sorry, I misunderstood your point -

I came across Edward's grave on Find a Grave site - it popped up as a hint so I clicked on it.  Amongst other things it lists those three sons - John, Richard and Samuel - and if you click on Samuel it states that he is also buried there and when he died,  and ditto for the other two and for his wife, Elizabeth.  It sort of tied it all up in a nice package.

[softly softly]

Ok fair enough.

SS

[Norfolk Nan]

Disappointing though, I thought you'd cracked it.  Ancestry was suggesting his parents came from Suffolk.  That man's Samuel grew up in Suffolk and was there long after mine was in Woburn - there's just no sense to it! 

[jonwarrn]

There is one more Norman in the village - Joseph, says born c1805 in Woburn

Another Norman in Woburn - Ann Bodsworth!
In 1851 she is 43, born Woburn
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGCC-X4R

Marriage at Woburn, 12 November 1837
John Bodsworth, father Thomas
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Ann Norman, father George
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP3R-L32Z

For what it's worth, Samuel & Mary Norman did have a son George baptised at Woburn in 1833.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3V3-53P

[Norfolk Nan]

Thank you - that's a useful catch.  Will Ann provide the vital clue? Watch this space 

[jonwarrn]

Was George Samuel Norman's first son?

From Bedfordshire Archives catalogue
Indictments & presentments: George Norman, George Bullock, William Sinfield, George Birtchnall, John Coleman, all of Woburn, labourers - For throwing fireworks into the street on November 5th.
Date 1817
https://bedsarchivescat.bedford.gov.uk/Details/archive/110693542