George Walters

[buckleys chance]

Please excuse if I have asked this before.  I am trying to find a birth record of a George Walters.  Son of John Thomas Walters and Elizabeth Morgan.  There is a suggestion on Ancestry that he was born 27th February 1883 in Llantrisant but I can't find a birth record on GRO with Morgan as the mother living in Wales.  There is one for Walsall.  There is also another record for that name with Arnold as the mothers surname but that was in Devon.  (Arnold was Elizabeth's mother maiden name)                                                                                                                                   The suggestion on Ancestry says it is from a letter (Joyce Walters).  Joyce was George's daughter George had a brother Richard Morgan Walters born 29th May 1879 Llantrisant in the district of Neath (my grandfather).  George Walters married Agnes James and emigrated to Australia.  His death record apparently states that Sarah Jane Woodward was his mother (His step mother).  He died in Kurri Kurri New South Wales.
Regards Elaine. (Australia)

Again apologies if I have post this before but I can't find original.

[amondg]

Do you have a copy of the marriage of George Walters to Agnes James 1907 reg. Bedwelty Monmouthshire

It will tell you the name of his father for verification.
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When John Walters married Elizabeth Morgan he was a widower aged 31 she was 24 date 16 March 1876 at Baglan, Glamorganshire

[trish1120]

Have you looked to see if he was reg under Woodward?

[Kay99]

Elizabeth Walters doesn't appear to be living with her husband in any census  and in 1881 their son Richard was living as a nephew with William Morgan and family - presumably his grandfather by his age.  However in 1911 Elizabeth lists herself as married with two children still living- Richard and George presumably

[amondg]

John Thomas Walters marries 26 December 1892 Bristol as Thomas Walters bachelor age 40 to Sarah Jane Woodward age 38

His father is the same William Walters _ Gardener as on the marriage to Elizabeth Morgan

He was already living with Sarah Jane on the 1891 census as man and wife in Bedwelty.

Is it possible George is the son of Sarah Jane Woodward before she officially married 1892?

[trish1120]

I must be looking at a different family then?

1881
Thos. Walters 27 Head
Elizabeth Walters 28 Wife
Richard Walters   1 Son


1891
John Thomas Walters 42 Head
Sarah Jane Walters 36 Wife
Richard Walters   11 Son
George Walters 8 Son

I thought Elizabeth has her death reg 1881 age 27

Boy am I confused

EDIT was a reply to kay99

[trish1120]

Ok glad I am not going insane.

As earlier thought he might be under Woodward but couldnt find that either

[buckleys chance]

amondg

I already have know the father of George Walters.  IE John Thomas Walters.  Its his date of birth that I am after.   Thank you for your reply though.  Regards Elaine

[osprey]

Place of birth for George given as Llantrisant on census entries which is not in the district of Neath.

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Llantrisant

1901 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X91L-KFN?lang=en

A birth in Llantrisant would have been registered at Pontypridd at that time
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/pontypridd.html

Probate entry for John Thomas Walters makes for interesting reading - he died 24 Sept 1914 of 23 Maesygraig St., Gilfach Bargoed. Probate 18 March 1915 to Sarah Jane Woodward, spinster, and Sarah Ann Phillips, wife of William Phillips.

Possibly acknowledging that his marriage to Sarah Jane wasn't legal.

1911 census at same address as on probate, JTW's birthplace mistranscribed, should be Loughor.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWXQ-H8T?lang=en

Actual entry shows no children born to the couple.

Report from 28 March 1884 of a court case about luggage lost the previous December, a box belonging to John Thomas Walters and his housekeeper, Sarah Jane Woodward.

https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4314492/4314496/79/?from=search

By the way, there was a birth registered Neath dec qtr 1883 for a George  Augustus Woodward, but that child died the following year, death registered sept qtr 1884 Merthyr Tydfil.