Hubert Avery

[softly softly]

There's an interesting looking marriage in 1935 in Cardiff, for a Charles H H Harding and Agnes Bolson, son Brian Anthony born 1939 (mmn Bolson, died 2019), and 1939 register, still in Cardiff, where he is simply Charles Harding, but .... date of birth agrees with the 5 Nov 1902 school entry found by sgf28, and he was a E N G Apprentice Proud & Son Docks Cardiff in 1921 and a Yard Ship Fitter Heavy Worker in 1939.

Death on the GRO of Charles Henry H Harding, Q3 1991 in South Glamorgan (includes Cardiff), born 1905, and a burial for a Charles Henry Hubert Harding in Pantmawr cemetery in Cardiff in July 1991, find a grave says birth 1906 so slightly out, same plot as Agnes Harding, died Nov 1921.

Only possible obviously, but might explain why there are no records for Hubert; the marriage / death certificates would hopefully confirm (or deny).

I looked at that man but was put off by the below.

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HARDING, HUBERT  CHARLES     SYDENHAM 
GRO Reference: 1906  D Quarter in CARDIFF  Volume 11A  Page 372

[Deirdre784]

He confused me quite a bit earlier (not many Huberts), but I think he's the Hubert/Herbert Charles Harding who appears in quite a few records in Penarth. Died Sep quarter 1973. DoB 20 Sep 1906.

Added: married to May Tiller, both on 1939 register in Penarth, HC's DoB recorded as 20 Sep 1906, his parents were Herbert Charles Harding and Sarah Annie Sydenham.

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In 1956-63 electoral registers he appears with Agnes as Hubert H Harding, on a majority of all other electoral registers he is Charles H.
In 1963 register son Brian A is living next door to parents with his wife.

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[Deirdre784]

no wonder it gets confusing.... in 1911 Kate Johnstone, is said to have been married for 1 year, husband at sea; with her is Hubert Harding, aged 8, listed as son by first husband. But they don't appear to have married until 1914.

Her first husband Benjamin James Laurence Johnstone, born in Pembrokeshire in 1858, was found dead in the river Rumney in Cardiff in August 1921. At the inquest, he was described as a boatswain, of no fixed abode. His widow (Kate, of 105 Alfred St), said she had not lived with her husband for more than 6 years. He had been admitted to the city lodge and then the workhouse, but had been discharged in 1920. He was said to be mentally weak and had been sending Kate bits of string and pieces of newspaper. He had been seen a week earlier covered in mud and walking towards the river. Open verdict.

In 1921, at 105 Alfred St, Kate was listed as Kate Avery, married, with John Avery (and children Rosa, Lily and Hubert). But she was still technically married to Benjamin at the time. Kate and John Avery didn't marry until 1923.

Kate died as Catherine E Avery in Cardiff in 1969, aged 91.

[Cas (stallc)]

There is this 1901, could read Hubert or Herbert

Roath, Cardiff
Piece 4972, Folio   62, Page number   56
John Boyd 28 Head
Hubert Harding 27 Servant, Somerset
Kate Harding   23   Servant, Derbyshire

Possible marriage - same page
Marriages Sep Q 1897 
Davies    Sarah        Cardiff    11a   612   
HARDING    Bert        Cardiff    11a   612    
Morgan    David        Cardiff    11a   612    
Warren    Catherine        Cardiff    11a   612   

Cas

[Deirdre784]

Thanks Cas, fairly sure that's them but no idea where the Derbyshire comes from (quite clear on the form though).

[Deirdre784]

Apologies spotted a mistake in my earlier post (reply 21)… Benjamin was Kate’s second husband not her first.

[Deirdre784]

Bert’s death….