Did Edward SWEENEY have a daughter in Ireland called Julia Ann?

[Richard Knott]

Julia Ann SWEENEY had an illegitimate son (Charles) with Joseph BARRATT in Manchester in 1820 before marrying him (as Judith) a few months later. They went on to have several children in Manchester (Jonas, c1826; Mary c1831; Selina c1834; Louisa Hall 1836; Mo? c1839; John 1840) several of whom do not appear to have been baptised/registered.

In 1841 they are living in Manchester with Edward SWEENEY, 90, who is likely to be her father. He died in 1841 and was a weaver. Joseph was the informant but did not show his relationship to Edward. Despite claiming to be born in Manchester in c1800 in later censuses both Julia and Edward put 'N' in 1841. My guess is that they came from Ireland, although there isn't an 'I' in the last column.

There are a couple of Juliana SWEENEYs born in Kerry in 1800, but neither has a father called Edward. One is Eugene and AI claims that Edward/Eugene are sometimes interchangeable, but I haven't seen that before (only Owen).

Can anyone find Julia Ann's baptism?

Richard

[heywood]

‘Mo’ looks to be ‘Jno’ - John.
GRO shows a birth for John Barrett with mother Sweeney in September quarter , 1839.

[Richard Knott]

I'm sure you're right. I haven't looked very closely at Thomas and Mary's children as I haven't fully pinned down that they are the right couple. I gave the names in cae they were called after grandparents etc

When Mary Ann Barratt married Thomas Wright in 1845 she gave her father as Joseph Wright, weaver, and censuses consistently give her birth as 1826/7 in Manchester. There is a Mary Ann d Joseph and Margaret B in 1825 but that Joseph is a carter, whereas the marriage between Joseph Barratt and Judith/Julia Ann Sweeny gives him as a weaver. In addition, Mary Ann named a daughter Selina (not a particularly common name), as did Joseph/Julia, so the evidence is quite strong that the Joseph/Julia pair are the right ones. Except that I can't find a baptism for Mary Ann...

Just to complicate issues, in 1871, a Sarah Barratt, 74, widow, is named as Thomas Wright's mother-in-law (ie Mary Ann's mother), even though her husband appears to be living in the workhouse. Putting Judith instead of Julia on an entry might just be a slip, but putting Sarah seems very odd, unless it is a second marriage.

Richard

[heywood]

I have seen Julia and Judith used interchangeably.
There are these deaths with parents, Joseph and Judith.
Both burials 29th April 1832.
Elizabeth, 1 year
Edmund, 3 years
Residence, 21 Irk Street

[Richard Knott]

Thanks. There is also a Louisa (1840 aged 4) and an Elizabeth (1828 aged 4) who were children of Joseph and Julia.

There are Edward Swinney/Sweeny/..s having children in Manchester around 1800, but their wives are Elia, Alice and Joanna so few clues there.

Richard

[heywood]

I was just posting those deaths with regard to the name Judith as an alternative to Julia.
As you say, there are other deaths to the couple. Louisa’s death shows mother as Julianne all one word.

[Richard Knott]

Findmypast also has these:

Joseph (b1821 bap 1822) - probably not as the mother is Judith CROWLEY
Marian (b1826 bap 1830) - phew!
Edward (b 1828 bap 1829) - encouraging
Elizabeth (1831)

At least I know this is the right family now.

Richard

[heywood]

Edward would be the Edmund who was buried with Elizabeth in 1832.

I recall that two baptisms, Charles, 1820 and John, 1840 were Catholic baptisms  at Saint Chad’s.

Edward was baptised there too.

[Richard Knott]

Yes, several of the baptisms were there.

Possible connection:
1802  bap Manchester    Mary   d Edm'd SWINNEY and Judith CROWLEY

This fits with the Mary SWEIN d Edward and Judith who dies aged 5 weeks Feb 1802

(I've now found all the baptisms on Ancestry. I've never found their search tool very effective)