John Harris, death in circa 1832 Walworth & Kennington (b 1767)

[sheeponahill]

Hello, I am trying to confirm marriage and death details for the artist John Harris (b.1767, died circa 1832). He was the son of the engraver Moses Harris (1730-1787) and is sometimes referred to as “John Harris the Elder”, as his own son John was also an artist (1791-1873).

John Jr wrote a memoir about his father in the family bible (now in the Harvard Houghton Library), in which he says that his father John Sr died in May 1832 and was buried at Kennington New Church in South London / Kent. I think this is St Marks church on Clapham Road. Its original burial register from 1825 to 1847 was destroyed during the Blitz, but the bishop’s transcript shows only a James Harris, buried on June 1st 1832, also born in 1767. Possibly a mistake? (see picture)

Elsewhere his date of death is given as 1834, but without evidence. He was married but I also can’t find details of his wife. I’m struggling. All help gratefully received please.

Fyi, The confirmed addresses have for him are in Walworth & Kennington...
Princes Square, Cleaver St, Kennington, London (c. 1793)
Amelia Street, Walworth (1797)
35 Penton Street, Walworth (c. 1797-1808)
27 Mansion House Row, Kennington (1808-1815)

[BushInn1746]

If he died locally in May toward the end of the Month, he may well have been buried 1st June.

The snippet appears to be from a Burial Register or the B.T. Copy and 1st June, will be the Burial date. Not the date of death.

I am not familiar with the area and which was Kennington New Church.

In the Bulletin of The Royal Entomological Society an article was published in their Antenna publication, Winter 2013 Vol 37 (1) called The Lost Paintings of John Harris.

https://www.royensoc.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Antenna-Volume-37-1-2013-13MB.pdf

I will leave another Rootschatter to look for a Wife.

Mark

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[sheeponahill]

Thanks BushInn, I had somehow forgotten about that article! Its author seems to have hit the same brick wall as me and says the same - died in May 1832.

[LizzieL]

Possible baptism for John jnr in Holborn in 1791, s/o John and Harriot. maybe the John Harris and Harriet Corp who married at St Martins in the Fields on 9 may 1790

[amondg]

NOTES

1744 Moses Harris son of Joseph Harris  - Painter of the City of London was apprenticed to Charles

Price - Merchant Taylor - City of London.

At age 14 he would have been born circa 1730
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Joseph Harried married Mary ?
children
Joseph 1726 Church yard Alley Fetter Lane, St Andrew Holborn
Mary 1727/8
Moses bap 27 April 1730
William 1734
Mary 1739

[jonwarrn]

Prerogative Court of Canterbury, Administrations
Entry in the death duty indexes in 1832 for the above (from TNA website)
Intestate: Jno Harris
Name/Residence of Administrators: Jno Harris, 13 (probably!) Belvoir Terrace Vauxhall (Rd is written above)
Vol: 2
Folio: Well it looks like a dash, but probably is a ditto from the above, 285

Use image viewer here, image 79 (of 199) or on findmypast
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C2612178

From google searching it looks like 13 Belvoir Terrace, Vauxhall Road, was the then address of John Harris the younger, artist.

EDIT Also known as Vauxhall Bridge Road.

[jonwarrn]

The death duty registers for this period can be seen on microfilm at TNA at Kew, and the films can be seen on computer at LDS FamilySearch centers or affiliate libraries (which include TNA)
https://www.familysearch.org/en/search/catalog/koha:522838

There are the PCC Administration Act Books
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C12117

LDS digitised microfilms of these
https://www.familysearch.org/en/search/catalog/koha:296752

The actual bonds can be viewed at Kew
Prerogative Court of Canterbury: Files and Bundles of Administration Bonds from 1714
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C12157

[jonwarrn]

Hello

Any thoughts, sheeponahill?