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Re: 1897 Rescue from Drowning in Carlisle.
« Reply #9 on: Monday 22 September 25 11:51 BST (UK) »
Quote from: maddys52 on Monday 22 September 25 10:33 BST (UK)
Just realised I put the wrong link in my reply #2. This is the 1865 map showing the courts in more detail with Dixon Court.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/121141043#zoom=6.1&lat=1542&lon=11249&layers=BT

Welcome to the club - guilty of same many times!
I'd imagined Milbourne St much changed but no so. Streetview shows it much as it was. At intervals Milbourne St house numbers are separated by a door/entrance (most unmarked) - see Nos 64 - 66, 68 - 70 and 72 - 74, the original entrances to the Courts? The 1891 Census sequence of addresses would appear to support this - they read:-

64 Milbourne St
1-8 Corries Court
66-68 Milbourne Street
10 Corrie Place
70 -72 Milbourne Street
1-2 Jones Court
74 Milbourne St

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Re: 1897 Rescue from Drowning in Carlisle.
« Reply #10 on: Monday 22 September 25 19:45 BST (UK) »
Hanes Teulu thank you so much. Also Maddys 52 great stuff. Really helpful. Thank you everyone.

Oh, if anyone has or knows of a photograph of Byron Street from before the houses were knocked down or even of a photo of the area where this accident took place I would be really interested.

Thanks also Gan Yam. You help me with every query I put up and it is mutely appreciated. I had to research what a Mill Race was. Every day is a school day.
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Re: 1897 Rescue from Drowning in Carlisle.
« Reply #11 on: Monday 22 September 25 20:08 BST (UK) »
Quote from: hanes teulu on Monday 22 September 25 11:51 BST (UK)
Quote from: maddys52 on Monday 22 September 25 10:33 BST (UK)
Just realised I put the wrong link in my reply #2. This is the 1865 map showing the courts in more detail with Dixon Court.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/121141043#zoom=6.1&lat=1542&lon=11249&layers=BT

Welcome to the club - guilty of same many times!
I'd imagined Milbourne St much changed but no so. Streetview shows it much as it was. At intervals Milbourne St house numbers are separated by a door/entrance (most unmarked) - see Nos 64 - 66, 68 - 70 and 72 - 74, the original entrances to the Courts? The 1891 Census sequence of addresses would appear to support this - they read:-

64 Milbourne St
1-8 Corries Court
66-68 Milbourne Street
10 Corrie Place
70 -72 Milbourne Street
1-2 Jones Court
74 Milbourne St

Really interesting Thank you. I think the conclusion from this is that the entrance to Corrie's Court was between what is now 64 and 66 Milbourne Street. It appears now as a white wooden un numbered door between the two house doors 64/66. How I would love to go back in time for a wander round even if only for one day.

Middleham, Ronson, Skinner, Rowe, Dennison, Weightman, Dalton, Rowe, Brown, Stead, Thompson, Nicholls, Porter, Brough, Pattinson, Wannop, Ruddick, Waugh mainly in Cumberland, Yorkshire, Scotland.

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Re: 1897 Rescue from Drowning in Carlisle.
« Reply #12 on: Monday 22 September 25 20:16 BST (UK) »
Quote from: This Boy on Monday 22 September 25 19:45 BST (UK)
Hanes Teulu thank you so much. Also Maddys 52 great stuff. Really helpful. Thank you everyone.

Oh, if anyone has or knows of a photograph of Byron Street from before the houses were knocked down or even of a photo of the area where this accident took place I would be really interested.

Thanks also Gan Yam. You help me with every query I put up and it is mutely appreciated. I had to research what a Mill Race was. Every day is a school day.
You might already have this which is an ariel view of Byron Street and the surrounding area. Byron Street is the street to the side of the building with the black at the bottom and white at the top.  This is a pub called the Joiners Arms, known locally as the Blue Lugs, and is still open and trading today. https://cumbriaimagebank.org.uk/frontend.php?pos=1&action=zoom&keywords=Ref_No_increment;MATCHES;(^|%20+)ct17738($|%20+)&continueUrl=ZnJvbnRlbmQucGhwPyZrZXl3b3Jkcz1hbGwlM0JNQVRDSEVTJTNCJTI4JTVFJTdDJTVCJTVFYS16QS1aJTVEJTJCJTI5Qnlyb25fU3RyZWV0JTI4JTI0JTdDJTVCJTVFYS16QS1aJTVEJTJCJTI5JmFjdGlvbj1zZWFyY2g=

and this one you can just about see one of the houses in Byron Street.  This was taken during the floods in 1925, but the area has been flooded again since then, the worst being 2005 and 2015

https://cumbriaimagebank.org.uk/frontend.php?pos=2&action=zoom&keywords=Ref_No_increment;MATCHES;(^|%20+)ct30436($|%20+)&continueUrl=ZnJvbnRlbmQucGhwPyZrZXl3b3Jkcz1hbGwlM0JNQVRDSEVTJTNCJTI4JTVFJTdDJTVCJTVFYS16QS1aJTVEJTJCJTI5Qnlyb25fU3RyZWV0JTI4JTI0JTdDJTVCJTVFYS16QS1aJTVEJTJCJTI5JmFjdGlvbj1zZWFyY2g=

This link below is a photo of where the incident likely took place.  This is the Little Caldew where the brewery used to be.  Just after the white and red modern building is a bridge/road to cross the mill race and probably the bridge mentioned in the article.  To the back of this area is Milbourne Street and the large chimney is Dixon's Chimney, at one supposed to be the tallest structure in Europe.
https://s0.geograph.org.uk/photos/98/76/987670_2455bd18.jpg
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Re: 1897 Rescue from Drowning in Carlisle.
« Reply #13 on: Monday 22 September 25 20:31 BST (UK) »
Thanks Gan Yam. Appreciated muchly. I did have the first one but not the second and really interesting to see the area where this took place.
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Re: 1897 Rescue from Drowning in Carlisle.
« Reply #14 on: Monday 22 September 25 22:17 BST (UK) »
Welcome to the club - guilty of same many times!
I'd imagined Milbourne St much changed but no so. Streetview shows it much as it was. At intervals Milbourne St house numbers are separated by a door/entrance (most unmarked) - see Nos 64 - 66, 68 - 70 and 72 - 74, the original entrances to the Courts? The 1891 Census sequence of addresses would appear to support this - they read:-

64 Milbourne St
1-8 Corries Court
66-68 Milbourne Street
10 Corrie Place
70 -72 Milbourne Street
1-2 Jones Court
74 Milbourne St
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Really interesting Thank you. I think the conclusion from this is that the entrance to Corrie's Court was between what is now 64 and 66 Milbourne Street. It appears now as a white wooden un numbered door between the two house doors 64/66. How I would love to go back in time for a wander round even if only for one day.
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I went the whole hog earlier today against each "Courts' entrance" still present on Milbourne and checked them against the '91 Census which produced

Entrance between
80-82 led to Slacks Court
76-78 led to Sanderson's Court, James Place
72-74 led to Jones Court
68-70 Corrie Place
64-66 led to Corrie Court
58-60 led to Lawson Court
52-54 led to Atkinson Court
46-48 led to Jackson Court
40-42 led to Milbourne Court

(Note to self - must get out more)

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Re: 1897 Rescue from Drowning in Carlisle.
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 23 September 25 02:11 BST (UK) »
Fascinating photos Gan Yam, and well done hanes teulu.  :D

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Re: 1897 Rescue from Drowning in Carlisle.
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 23 September 25 09:27 BST (UK) »
Records of the Cumbria Constabulary (formerly the Cumberland and Westmorland Constabulary)

Have you tried contacting Cumbria Archives to see if the incident was recorded and what the Police Log Book or Incident Book or Occurrence Book (or whatever they call these Book/s in their Force), said about the incident and rescuer?

You may need to purchase a page copy or scan of the entries in the various Log/s and Book/s.

Added:
Some Policeman Note Books also survive in some Constabulary Records?

One of the books, may, or may not give you brief summary and include those involved?


https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r/1?_aq=Carlisle%20Constabulary&_ep=Carlisle&_dss=range&_sd=1890&_ed=1901&_ro=any&_st=adv

Contact details for Cumbria Archives should be on their website
https://cumbriaarchives.org.uk/search

Added: If you visit, it seems you can photograph Free of Charge
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/a/A13529876

Added:
Was An Award Indexed
Some rescuers, receive Awards from Local, Regional or National Bodies.

https://royalhumanesociety.org.uk/about-us/awards-and-certificates/

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Re: 1897 Rescue from Drowning in Carlisle.
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 23 September 25 10:17 BST (UK) »
Quote from: hanes teulu on Monday 22 September 25 22:17 BST (UK)
Welcome to the club - guilty of same many times!
I'd imagined Milbourne St much changed but no so. Streetview shows it much as it was. At intervals Milbourne St house numbers are separated by a door/entrance (most unmarked) - see Nos 64 - 66, 68 - 70 and 72 - 74, the original entrances to the Courts? The 1891 Census sequence of addresses would appear to support this - they read:-

64 Milbourne St
1-8 Corries Court
66-68 Milbourne Street
10 Corrie Place
70 -72 Milbourne Street
1-2 Jones Court
74 Milbourne St

Really interesting Thank you. I think the conclusion from this is that the entrance to Corrie's Court was between what is now 64 and 66 Milbourne Street. It appears now as a white wooden un numbered door between the two house doors 64/66. How I would love to go back in time for a wander round even if only for one day.
[/quote]
I went the whole hog earlier today against each "Courts' entrance" still present on Milbourne and checked them against the '91 Census which produced

Entrance between
80-82 led to Slacks Court
76-78 led to Sanderson's Court, James Place
72-74 led to Jones Court
68-70 Corrie Place
64-66 led to Corrie Court
58-60 led to Lawson Court
52-54 led to Atkinson Court
46-48 led to Jackson Court
40-42 led to Milbourne Court

(Note to self - must get out more)
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Great work! I get more pleasure nowadays from delving into history than I do from getting out and down with the kids  ;D
Middleham, Ronson, Skinner, Rowe, Dennison, Weightman, Dalton, Rowe, Brown, Stead, Thompson, Nicholls, Porter, Brough, Pattinson, Wannop, Ruddick, Waugh mainly in Cumberland, Yorkshire, Scotland.
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