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Re: Help locating two houses
« Reply #45 on: Thursday 25 September 25 17:46 BST (UK) »
A timeline of relevant news snippets and other information that I've noted for the period 1912-1924

04 Jun 1912 Davidson the Bishops Cannings trainer has taken the stables and gallops at Woodyates and is expected there shortly

13 Mar 1913 Tuesdays training... Whitsbury, Toyd & Woodyates .... Davidsons Limerock, Little Madge, and others covered 5f
12 Aug 1913 Folkstone race 1:30 5f 1st Mr R Jeffreys Little Madge... Winner trained by Davidson
16 Sep 1913 Warwick race 3:00 6 furlongs 1st Mr R Jeffreys Dark Simon... Winner trained by Davidson

02 Oct 1914 Newmarket race 2:30 1mile 1furlong 1st Mr G Edwardes Drinmore... Winner trained by P Hartigan at Ogbourne

   Apr 1915 J F A Davidson attached to RND 1st Brigade Hd. Qtrs Blandford. Next of Kin, Wife H L Davidson, The Rowans, New Church Rd, Hove

23 Feb 1917 Death Davidson, Feb 14th at Fairfield Rd, Blandford Hilda Louise, wife of J F Davidson RND of Woodyates, Handley

20 May 1919 J F A Davidson demobilised at Crystal Palace
   2Q  1919 Marriage John F St A Davidson m. Grace Mabel Nailard (first wifes sister!) Steyning, Sussex

18 Mar 1921 Trainer Pat Hartigan dies at Liverpool falling out of hotel window on grand national eve!
22 Mar 1921 Female Davidson Premature birth and death at 'The Box, Maizey, Ogbourne St. Andrew' Father & informant John Francis St Alban Davidson present at death
24 Mar 1921 Large number of horses still at Ogbourne... kept in work by J F Davidson assistant to the late trainer Pat Hartigan
28 Mar 1921 J Davidson formerly trained at Bishops Cannings has been acting secretary to late Pat Hartigan has received his license to train and will take over the charge of the Ogbourne horses
16 Jul 1921 Davidson who was poor Pat Hartigans secretary, and is now training at Ogbourne is the son of a clergyman...

31 Jan 1922 Mr R Crawford the trainer has arrived at Ogbourne to take the place of Davidson who left yesterday for Collingbourne
14 Jul 1922 T Ellis charged with stealing bottle of whisky belonging to J F Davidson at Salisbury race course 6 Jul. Goliath Black, chauffeur of Collingbourne Ducis and employed by Mr J F Davidson.....

   1Q  1924 Birth John A Davidson. Pewsey, Dorset mmn. Nailard    
28 Nov 1924 Cook wanted.... also Nursemaid for boy of ten months....Davidson, Herridge, Collingbourne, Wilts

I haven't found the definitive date that Davidson became Hartigans assistant but I suspect its c1913.

Edit: Forgot to add image of the winning horse mentioned 12 Aug 1913...

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Re: Help locating two houses
« Reply #46 on: Thursday 25 September 25 18:27 BST (UK) »
Great stuff Sc00p, I have been compiling a timeline too  ;D   I think you have covered everything I discovered and more so no need for me to post my version.
Robbins - Wolverhampton.
Spooner - Monmouthshire & Wolverhampton.
Warner & Loundes - Dudley/West Bromwich.
Dod(g)son - Heysham/Liverpool/Wolverhampton

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« Reply #47 on: Thursday 25 September 25 18:30 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much Sc00p! This really helps with my reasearch!  ;D
Botterill and Lydon- Yorkshire area
Cox, Nailard and Thorpe - Sussex

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Re: Help locating two houses
« Reply #48 on: Thursday 25 September 25 19:08 BST (UK) »
As May2088 and Jool have no doubt discovered, the Herridge racing stables are not viewable with street view. However the satellite view seems to rule out the house in the first photo as one of the buildings in the complex. I'm not sure I would rule out the third photo though.

There are multiple views of the Herridge stable estate buildings in this 2011 Planning document but I see nothing that obviously matches 1st or 3rd photo. https://development.wiltshire.gov.uk/pr/s/contentdocument/0693z00000Hx7l2AAB



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Re: Help locating two houses
« Reply #49 on: Thursday 25 September 25 19:42 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the summary, Sc00p. Can I suggest that the starting point for this search is the marriage of JFD'A Davidson and Hilda Louise Nailard in 1905 since the photographs seem to indicate a married couple. The cars (possibly the same one) in photos 1 and 3 also suggest the Edwardian era, possibly stretching in the 1920s, but I would say not later than that. The second photo feels later to me, but as we know that Hilda was living there in Hove in 1915, so that seems to pin that particular image to around that date, certainly before 1917 when she died in Blandford.

Back in reply10 rosie99 told us that Hilda's parents were living at 91 Church Street. By the 1911 census the widowed Thomas Naillard and his widowed daughter Emily Thorpe, plus another daughter Beatrice Agnes and Thomas's sister in law are living at 40 Church Street, Hove, so either they had moved or the street had been renumbered. As we know, today the house is 199 New Church Road. I'm guessing that the old man at the gate in photo 2 is Thomas Nailard.  He would have been in his mid sixties in 1915. Perhaps the one or both of the other photographs (1 & 3) are of Nailard family homes, although the annotation 'Davidson House' on the first photo, suggests it is not.


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« Reply #50 on: Thursday 25 September 25 19:49 BST (UK) »
There are multiple views of the Herridge stable estate buildings in this 2011 Planning document but I see nothing that obviously matches 1st or 3rd photo. https://development.wiltshire.gov.uk/pr/s/contentdocument/0693z00000Hx7l2AAB
I agree.

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« Reply #51 on: Thursday 25 September 25 20:06 BST (UK) »
This is the Google Earth view of Needs Farm, Steyning, the Nailard family home where Hilda and Grace were born.  Again no street view access but I don't think it fits photos 1 or 3.

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Re: Help locating two houses
« Reply #53 on: Thursday 25 September 25 20:10 BST (UK) »
I just noticed that it's not the same car in pictures 2 & 3.  Bonnet shape and headlights....  A better scan of the car and left hand building/people in image 1 would be useful.