Elizabeth Rippingall

[PatLac]

On Reply #33 I have mentioned Christopher Rippingall (Rippingale) who married Jernigan (many variations: Jernegan, Jerninghan, Fernigan, Ferninghan) and had at least 5 children, including Henry baptised in Burlingham St Edmund in 1661.

I think he could be the Christopher Ripingall mentioned in this document

Possession of tenements in Norwich, Norfolk.

https://waalt.uh.edu/index.php/C78_1670

Link to the document image http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/C78/C78no691/IMG_0227.JPG


A John Ripingall of Ryburgh Magna (1587-1588) and wife Agnes are mentioned on page 143

https://issuu.com/tcrs/docs/volume71


The pedigree of John Ripingall of Saint Botolph Without Bishopsgate (c. 1563-4) is mentioned on page 104

https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/12023901/surtees-society

[coombs]

Rippingall has several variants so if we try more variants on the search engines on FindMyPast and FamilySearch etc, we may uncover more info on the family seeing as they were quite notable. I guess the surname originates from a "ripping gale" around the time surnames became fixed. I have found Rippingales in Foulness Essex in the 1780s, as I have ancestors from there but no known connection to me, I wonder if they are connected to the Rippingall's of Norfolk/Suffolk.

[petey22]

Trying to find and prove the demise of Elizabeth has been driving me crazy 

there are many possibilities, the Elizabeth Rogers death in 1777 at Laugharne, Carmathenshire is a big coincidence.

I have narrowed down the possibilities in Norfolk down to 3 candidates illiminating: married to another mans name, infants, widows and burials whereby the age is not correct, unfortunately the place of burial each time is not encouraging:
i. buried 15-09-1764 Gissing
ii. buried 09-07-1766 Weasenham
iii. buried 06-09-1773 Frettenham

The list of Elizabeth Rogers' buried in London is just too long. The Elizabeth buried 21-07-1782 @ St. Brides suggested by Ili1133 is a nice possibility being 2 years before the second marriage of Joseph but there are other such burials listed in the London area.
@ Ili1133 Indeed a non conformist burial is also an option.

The facts give us Joseph and Elizabeth living in Norfolk born (and bred?) although I am still unsure as to Joseph being born London or Norfolk  For some reason they move to Wales (in 1777 their eldest child would be 17) with an Elizabeth Rogers being conveniently buried in 1777 (did they move to Wales for health reasons)

After 1777 Joseph goes dark until he pops up again in Londen for his second marriage. As Ili1133 mentions, the answer could lie in Josephs whereabouts in this period?

Oh well, ramble over, back to the drawing board 

[jonwarrn]

I think we agreed that Joseph (or the likeliest candidate) was baptised in London, and his parents married there.
I did wonder if there might have been some Rogers family connection that lured him to Kidwelly, but there is the health factor you mentioned. Have you tried to read up on Kidwelly, see what was going on there at the time?

[petey22]

yes indeed, the likeliest candidate, but as always, difficult to prove for certain. Sorry for my lack of conviction on this, but on previous occasions, using the same methods and being 100% certain,,, I have been proven wrong in the past. I do intend to readress this at some point using methods I have learned from roots-chat friends such as yourself.
I havent read up on Kidwelly as of yet and do find it curious that another Elizabeth Rogers was buried at the same place a year earlier in 1776, so a good point you make with regard to a Rogers family connection somewhere. When I return home, I shall look at all Rogers trees I can find in that area to search for a connection,,,, thanks for that idea 

[Ili1133]

Understand your frustration!

Regarding Kidwelly, there’s a history of Kidwelly website which mentions that there was a Rogers family driving the tin mining industry there in the same period. However they sound like a local family from the county town of Carmarthen who share a relatively common surname.

http://www.kidwellyhistory.co.uk/Industry/TinWorks.htm

I skimmed some of the articles but couldn’t spot any professional or entrepreneurial reason Joseph and Harmer would have been attracted to move to the area around 1776. Just a correction - his son Harmer (aka John?) was about 23 and presumably already working in the medical profession, so they may have been in partnership.

It’s a good idea to try to ‘disprove’ the Elizabeth Rogers 1777 Laugharne death hypothesis.

Agree with you about the Norfolk deaths. She could have been visiting a family member somewhere outside the county (her sister was in Suffolk, for example). Unfortunately there are gaps in the newspaper archives over the period - in particular some of the Norfolk Gazette. Even if Elizabeth’s death was in the paper, the announcement may not have survived.

[Ili1133]

Minutes of Norfolk and Norwich Hospital 13 Jan 1773

“Mr Rogers resigned his appointment of Surgeon to the Hospital on account of ill-health (2 years’ service)”

[petey22]

Minutes of Norfolk and Norwich Hospital 13 Jan 1773

“Mr Rogers resigned his appointment of Surgeon to the Hospital on account of ill-health (2 years’ service)”

Now that is a really nice find!
In 1773 most of the children would have been in their teens or in their early 20's, curiously no mention of wife Elizabeth. Joseph thus retires as Surgeon and presumably regains his health to start practising law in 1775 (at least I am assuming he becomes some kind of lawyer from the many mentions/documents on Family search?)

incidently I came across this document below (sorry if it has already been noted) It does mention his wife Elizabeth many times, so I intend to search as many documents I can find to see if there is some kind of pattern with this that the mention of his wife suddenly stops ,,,, who knows 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS62-7QHX?view=fullText&keywords=Joseph%20Rogers%2CRogers%2CJoseph%2CSurgeon&lang=nl&groupId=

[Ili1133]

I don’t think we’ve seen any evidence that Joseph was working after 1773. All the legal references (about the land he inherited) mention attorneys appointed to act on his behalf. He doesn’t appear in person.

So your idea about health is a good one. It sounds as if Joseph (with or without Elizabeth) accompanied his son Harmer to Wales so forget the partnership hypothesis. Doesn’t add anything to finding Elizabeth

What will make a difference with these references to Elizabeth is what the source is for the documents. If they’re related to inheritance through her family (Rippingale/Havett), then she’ll probably be mentioned as Joseph’s wife. If they’re related to Joseph’s inheritance from the Harmers, she may not be included.