Elizabeth Rippingall

[petey22]

I am trying to find out as much as I can about Elizabeth Rippingall of St. Saviour, Norwich (at the time of her marriage).
She marries Joseph Rogers, 16-08-1750 at Heigham, Norwich.
They have children: Katherine Rogers 1752, bap 26-08-1753, St. Andrew, Norwich and Harmer Rogers c1753.
She is the granddaughter of another Elizabeth Rippingall and is mentioned in her will. From the will I can read that she has a sister Ann Rippingall and that her father is John Rippingall. In the will a Thomas Brown of Elling (Ellingham) Norfolk is mentioned, but have no idea of his connection.
I do not have a birth, baptism or death/burial for Elizabeth Rippingall. Her husband Joseph remarries in 1784, so she must pass away between 1753 and 1784.
There are many spellings of the name:  Rippingall/ Rippinggull/ Rippingale, which makes things very difficult and confusing 
There are another couple of posts regarding other members of this family group but as they have become so large I would like this post to be concentrated on Elizabeth Rippingall 
Any help very much appreciated 


nb. On reading the will again, it does not state that John Rippingall is the father of Elizabeth Rippingall, but states that John Rippingall is the son of Elizabeth Rippingall of the will.

[petey22]

This is from one of the other posts and very relavent:

Indenture: Bargain and Sale. Joseph Rogers of Norwich, surgeon, and Elizabeth, his wife, granddaughter of Elizabeth Rippingall of Norwich, widow, decd, to John Harmer of Norwich, surgeon.
30 Aug 1753
Messuage with barns and buildings in St Mary Unburnt and St Saviour, Norwich.
Link to NROCAT
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tt4/

Marriage bond on FS, maybe (and unusually) it doesn't give an occupation for Joseph
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DR17-63G

I have been trying to order the names mentioned in the indenture. If read it correctly then:
Joseph Rogers is married to Elizabeth (Rippingall?)
Her parents are not mentioned but she is granddaughter to Elizabeth Rippingall
Elizabeth Rippingall is the widow of John Harmer.

This raises 2 questions in my mind
i. Does Elizabeth revert to her maiden name of Rippingall after becoming a widow
ii. Why is her grandaughter not Elizabeth Harmer
I am confused 

[coombs]

So her grandmother Elizabeth Rippingall was from Norwich then, was she still in Norwich when she wrote out her will?

If she married in 1750, we can guess that she was likely born about 1720 to c1733-1734.

I did find an Elizabeth Rippingale born in Acle, Norfolk, baptised 25 April 1733 to John and Elizabeth.

[petey22]

Yes, the grandmother was in Norwich at the time of the will being written in 1743. It also mentions that she is to be buried at St. Andrews, Norwich where her parents are buried.

I too have found the Elizabeth Rippengall born at Acle c1733, to John and Elizabeth with 2 brothers John and Charles, but no sister Anne 

There is an Elizabeth Rippengall born Lyng c1693 to parents John and Elizabeth with brother John c1695 and sister Anne c1698. Being born in 1693 would mean she marries in 1750 aged 57 which does not seem correct seeing that she bares 2 children in 1752 and 1753,,,,

[PatLac]

Could that indenture be between Joseph Rogers and John Harmer? I think John Harmer, the surgeon, was his contemporary. There are many reports on his litothomy procedures around 1746 (unless his father was also John Harmer and a surgeon).

I think Elizabeth Havett married Henry Rippingall and she is the grandmother of Elizabeth Rippingall (who married Joseph Rogers) and Ann(e) Rippingall who married John Chambers.

Elizabeth Havett person details
Name   Elizabeth Havett
Sex   Female
Father's Name   John Havett
Father's Sex   Male
Mother's Name   Ann
Mother's Sex   Female
Event Type   Christening
Event Date   7 Oct 1679
Event Place   Norwich, Norfolk, England
Event Place (Original)   Saint Andrew, Norwich, Norfolk, England



Henry Rippingall   Husband   M         
Henry Rippingall person details
Name   Henry Rippingall
Sex   Male
Spouse's Name   Elizabeth Havett
Spouse's Sex   Female
Event Type   Marriage
Event Date   18 May 1703
Event Place   Norwich, Norfolk, England
Event Place (Original)   Cathedral Church, Norwich, Norfolk, England
Reference   Item 3


Henry Rippingale   Husband   M         
John Rippingale   Son   M         
John Rippingale person details
Name   John Rippingale
Sex   Male
Father's Name   Henry Rippingale
Father's Sex   Male
Mother's Name   Elizabeth
Mother's Sex   Female
Event Type   Christening
Event Date   

13 November 1704
Event Place   Aylsham, Norfolk, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original)   Aylsham, Norfolk, England


Henry Rippingale
Vital • England, Norfolk, Parish Registers (County Record Office), 1510-1997

Henry Rippingale person details
Name   Henry Rippingale
Event Type   Burial
Event Date   4 February 1714
Event Place   Aylsham, Norfolk, England
Event Place (Original)   Aylsham, Norfolk, England

[petey22]

@PatLac, thankyou for your research.
It will take me some time to process this, I am so glad as this is the first insight I have with regard to grandmother; Elizabeth Rippingall and her connection to the Rippingall family.
Also I am especially happy with the link to sister Ann(e) Rippengall. Alysham, Norfolk has been added to my list of places to visit when I return to England next. When I was a boy , I used to spend my summer holidays at my uncles farm at new Buckingham, Norfolk, never expecting that 50 years later I would be studying and researching these places in the roundabout area 

[PatLac]

"Gooch helped to select the first members of the staff. Five physicians, three surgeons and three assistant surgeons were appointed at a meeting on 10th October. The physicians were John Beevor (1726-1815), John Manning (1730-1806), Dr Peter Hooke and Dr John Murray. Dr Dack was appointed but declined to accept. The surgeons were; William Donne (1746-1804) who performed 170 lithotomy operations during his 32 years on the staff; Mr C.Maltby and Joseph Rogers."

http://www.takeheart.co.uk/earlynn.htm

John Beevor and father Thomas Beevor were mentioned in one of the documentes linked above (no time to find it now).

John Harmer was the husband of Catherine Cross, sister of Mary Cross who married to Joseph Rogers, the parents of Joseph Rogers married to Elizabeth Rippingall.

jonwarm had linked this info on your other thread:

And here on FS, using full text search (the transcription is not 100% accurate!)
given & bequeathed (that is to say) to Joseph Rogers son of Joseph Rogers of London Gentleman and Nephew to Catherine the wife of Mr John Harmer of the City of Norwich Surgeon the sum of ten guineas to be paid within seven months next after my Decease.....
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSN6-CR28?view=fullText&keywords=Joseph%20Rogers%2CSurgeon&lang=en&groupId==

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=769108.msg7659741#msg7659741