Hutton family Belfast in 1850-1870’s

[jonwarrn]

Hi Jon_ni, thank you for all that excellent info and explanation.
Very helpful and illuminating!
John

[Jon_ni]

son Richard's marriage 1878 https://irishgenealogy.ie/view/?record_id=8f6abc883a-1517149
his cousin Richard's marriage 1866 https://irishgenealogy.ie/view/?record_id=8f6abc883a-1851253

Richard son of William of Annette Street 1888 https://irishgenealogy.ie/view/?record_id=8f6abc883a-1284501

Example of a period copy error:
Richard Hutton & ELIZABETH McCambley 03/04/1915 copy made 18 Apr 1915 by a Curate (incorrectly including an April marriage with Q1 Jan-March submission to Dublin hence marginal annotation 'put in next quarter')
https://irishgenealogy.ie/view/?record_id=8f6abc883a-610730

Richard Hutton & ELLEN McCambley 03/04/1915 copy made 10 July 1915 for Q2 by the Rector who had performed the marriage ceremony.
https://irishgenealogy.ie/view/?record_id=8f6abc883a-610761
What I would do there is look at how GRONI have indexed as that is compiled and the images from one of the pair of bound Ledgers signed or marked by the couple on the day. Shows it happened.

[goatfish77]

It was Laganbank located per the genuki link as says in the Town of Belfast rather than in the Parish of Malone or Parish of Upper Falls which the others do and the first sod was cut for construction of Orangefield 29 July 1955 & named after St John's Laganbank which had been demolished 1943.

Mays Fields was St John's in the earliest list by Mays Market & the river before May Street and Oxford Street etc were fully constructed. That area was where Annette Street was if refer to he street Directories.
Annette Street (Verner Street to Turnley Street). Verner Street (May Street to Murphy Street).
Was directly opposite St George's Market https://maps.app.goo.gl/r2VMwRc8vXMM2Afo6
use PRONI's old maps https://nidirect.gov.uk/services/search-proni-historical-maps-viewer

I'm saying search irishgen for Hutton marriages and open the pdf images and read the father's name and occupation. RootsIreland has the father's fornames indexed I think but you need a sub and still need to conult the actual irishgen images. In England you would use the census for siblings that option is not available so you have to use things a different way to elsewhere and all the civil BMD records are online for free up to 1922. Longwinded sometimes have to open 20 or 50 tabs depending on the surname.

Sorry if I am being dim but I am still confused as to whether the baptisms are available for the St Johns Laganbank. I have looked at the PRONI guide to Church records and can't find that church. Can someone guide me to the info like I am an child?

Can anyone help with this?

[Jon_ni]

is listed as C.I. St John the Evangelist Parish Church, on page 108 of PRONI's guide (the successor church) but as the dates start 1853 which was the founding date of Laganbank and >100 years before its successor across the river in Orangefield, Co Down, are the ones you are after.

C.I. St John the Evangelist Parish Church, Orangefield (Down diocese).
Baptisms, 1853-1943; Marriages, 1855-1901; Printed booklet on the Churches History, c.1970.
Digital Records CR1/129.
Baptisms, 1853-92; marriages, 1855-97. MIC583/4 & MIC1/320

Good that the registers have been digitised likely as colour pdf's as  makes consulting much quicker and easier on the eye [not available on the internet, just internally].
Sometimes the eCat is worth checking too inputting references or keywords.

PRONI ref: CR1/129*
"Please note that PRONI does not hold the original records, but a digital copy is available in the search room for records listed below this reference number.
PRONI holds digital copies of the following registers from St John the Evangelist Parish Church: Baptisms, 1853-1943; Marriages, 1855-1901; Vestry Minutes, 1870-1914; Printed booklet on the Churches History, c.1970. The original records are still in local custody."

Seems a small church hall was opened 1937 in residential Castlereagh as an Extension and ran jointly until St John's Laganbank closed 1943.
Belfast News-Letter 31 January 1955 https://findmypast.co.uk/image-viewer?issue=bl/0000038/19550131&page=8
Belfast Telegraph 28 January 1955 https://findmypast.co.uk/image-viewer?issue=bl/0002318/19550128&page=4

St John's Laganbank (nicknamed St John's in the mud) had no remaining local congregation due to the increasing industralisation & was taken over compulsorily WW2 1942 & demolished 1943 as Belfast Corporation needed an extension to its adjacent Electrical Works. On demolition of the old church the Diocesian Council decided the title, endowments and furnishings (+ the £ compensation for the Laganbank site) were to be passed to the infant parish of St John's Orangefield, formed in 1937 (out of parts of Cregagh, Willowfield, Knock and Knockbreda) and it was to be known as St John's Orangefield and Laganbank. [obviously the registers passed too]
The first rector of St John's Orangefield parish the Rev G W L Hill was instituted 6 April 1946, having been curate-charge since the union of the congregations in 1943.
The 1st sod was cut for the 3rd St John's church which the congregation had been saving up for on 29 Jan 1955 to replace the small church/hall authorised by the Belfast Church Extension Committee on which construction work had started Oct 1936.
Belfast News-Letter 27 Oct 1936 https://findmypast.co.uk/image-viewer?issue=bl/0000038/19361027&page=11

I didn't know the fine details before today's hunt of the newspapers.

[goatfish77]

is listed as C.I. St John the Evangelist Parish Church, on page 108 of PRONI's guide (the successor church) but as the dates start 1853 which was the founding date of Laganbank and >100 years before its successor across the river in Orangefield, Co Down, are the ones you are after.

C.I. St John the Evangelist Parish Church, Orangefield (Down diocese).
Baptisms, 1853-1943; Marriages, 1855-1901; Printed booklet on the Churches History, c.1970.
Digital Records CR1/129.
Baptisms, 1853-92; marriages, 1855-97. MIC583/4 & MIC1/320

Good that the registers have been digitised likely as colour pdf's as  makes consulting much quicker and easier on the eye [not available on the internet, just internally].
Sometimes the eCat is worth checking too inputting references or keywords.

PRONI ref: CR1/129*
"Please note that PRONI does not hold the original records, but a digital copy is available in the search room for records listed below this reference number.
PRONI holds digital copies of the following registers from St John the Evangelist Parish Church: Baptisms, 1853-1943; Marriages, 1855-1901; Vestry Minutes, 1870-1914; Printed booklet on the Churches History, c.1970. The original records are still in local custody."

Seems a small church hall was opened by St John's Laganbank in 1937 in residential Castlereagh and ran jointly with Laganbank until it closed 1943 due to the increasing industralisation. The 1st sod was cut for the 3rd church, St John's Orangefield 29 Jan 1955.
Belfast News-Letter 31 January 1955 https://findmypast.co.uk/image-viewer?issue=bl/0000038/19550131&page=8

Ok, thank you. So looks like I need to visit to view anything as I am in England!

[Jon_ni]

Ok, thank you. So looks like I need to visit to view anything as I am in England!

None of PRONI's church records/images are accessible onlline so that was always going to be the case, due to different copyright ownership and agreements made with the denominations.
"Digitised records ...are now available to view onsite in PRONI"

If you seek eg an entry in particular you could avail of their research service but bear in mind any baptisms or marriages before 1853 will obviously be recorded in another church as mentioned before (St Anne's being indexed on RootsIreland).
Unless the parish has created one at some stage there is no name index to the digitised or microfilm registers in PRONI, so is a case of 'turning the pages' and reading (and hoping you don't miss the one you are after).
So, generally this is only worth considering for marriages/baptisms before civil registration (1845/1864), that seem to not have been registered with the GRO, or you want to ensure there is no mention of that unknown father.

Suggest just quote a sufficient length to inidicate a reply to someone.
I was curious about the history of St John's Orangefield so thought worthwhile to document anyway for the future.

[goatfish77]

That all makes sense. Thanks Jon_ni and everyone else for the tips and sharing your extensive knowledge.