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Re: Hutton family Belfast in 1850-1870’s
« Reply #36 on: Friday 19 September 25 21:39 BST (UK) »
Hi
It was a lucky find! It came up on a full text search (which is fairly new) on FamilySearch for "Annette Street" and Hutton together in Ireland
https://www.familysearch.org/en/search/full-text/results?count=20&q.text=%2B%22annette%20street%22%20%2B%22hutton%22&c.recordPlace1=on&f.recordPlace0=9&c.recordPlace2=on&f.recordPlace1=9%2CIreland

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Yes, I agree that it looks as though John's wife had most probably died by then. So we still don't know her name.
Even though we now have John's death date, I haven't found a death notice in the newspapers for an age, which is disappointing.

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Re: Hutton family Belfast in 1850-1870’s
« Reply #37 on: Friday 19 September 25 21:46 BST (UK) »
How did you find that and how would I search for other wills for the family?

Ireland, Diocesan and Prerogative Wills & Administrations Indexes, 1595-1858
https://www.familysearch.org/en/search/collection/3460908

Type in 'John Hutton' '1856'



Researching: Cuthbertson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Australia; Hunter – Co. Derry; Jackson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Canada; Scott – Co. Derry; Neilly – Co. Antrim & USA; McCurdy – Co. Antrim; Nixon – Co. Cavan, Co. Donegal, Canada & USA; Ryan & Noble – Co. Sligo

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Researching: Cuthbertson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Australia; Hunter – Co. Derry; Jackson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Canada; Scott – Co. Derry; Neilly – Co. Antrim & USA; McCurdy – Co. Antrim; Nixon – Co. Cavan, Co. Donegal, Canada & USA; Ryan & Noble – Co. Sligo

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Re: Hutton family Belfast in 1850-1870’s
« Reply #39 on: Friday 19 September 25 21:53 BST (UK) »
You could use ShrinkLink.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/

Hi Kiltaglassan
I can't use ShrinkLink because it loses the +
And thus gives all the results for Annette Street and Hutton irrespective of whether they appear together or not.
Yes I know I could put in Hutton as a "name" instead, perhaps I should have done, but I prefer not to!


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Re: Hutton family Belfast in 1850-1870’s
« Reply #41 on: Friday 19 September 25 22:19 BST (UK) »
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How did you find that and how would I search for other wills for the family?
Johnwarn all those Familysearch wills are from NAI where thay can be searched much more easily, that is the image attribution. Good find though & interesting to see the date of death recorded in the margin.

Prerogative and diocesan copies of some wills and indexes to others, 1596 – 1858
https://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/dw/home.jsp
a sub set of the old style Geneology site of NAI https://genealogy.nationalarchives.ie/

further detailsof pre-1858 Wills https://nidirect.gov.uk/articles/about-wills-and-will-calendars
Many pre-1858 Wills have not survived.
The Prerogative church Court was the highest, above the Diocese Courts and may indicate property was held in more than one Diocese. There was also a record in Connor Diocese of which only the index has survived. 3 images in total on NAI.
https://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/dw/results.jsp?surname=hutton&firstname=john&event_year_from=1857&event_year_to=1858&search=Search

Also on Findmypast Ireland Diocesan And Prerogative Wills & Administrations Indexes
https://findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE/DIOC/WILL/00186750
Ancestry seems to just have the name index images https://ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/62077/records/452637

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Re: Hutton family Belfast in 1850-1870’s
« Reply #42 on: Friday 19 September 25 23:15 BST (UK) »
Diocesan and Prerogative Marriage Licence Bonds Indexes, 1623-1866
https://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/dm/home.jsp
top result in https://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/dm/results.jsp?&surname=hutton&firstname=john&search=Search
Down, Connor and Dromore Diocese Hutton   John   1843 Fichey Eleanor
https://ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/62077/records/90168443

?? could it be a re-marriage we can't tell as only the index survives ...the church might be St Anne's but the pre-civil parish record might not have sufficient detail to differentiate from the other John Hutton a Farmer who appeared in children's marriages same period.

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Re: Hutton family Belfast in 1850-1870’s
« Reply #43 on: Saturday 20 September 25 00:39 BST (UK) »
the pre 1850 directories are of variable format & inclusion they are imaged on PRONI.
https://nidirect.gov.uk/services/search-street-directories
copied on https://ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/62710

The Belfast And Province Of Ulster Directory 1852
John Hutton (Carter), 10 Annette Street . Richard Hutton (labourer) 6 Annette Street
https://streetdirectories.proni.gov.uk/media/wokiPncDuvMp0GkdTMnBNw..a

Martin's Belfast Directory 1842-1843 (also 1841-1842)
John Hutton (Carrier) 79 Scott's Row.
https://streetdirectories.proni.gov.uk/media/ns_Ive010aXle3RUW233DQ..a
and Martin's Belfast Directory 1839 https://streetdirectories.proni.gov.uk/media/vkjlfUwHqShKT2k6N2J03Q..a
Scott's Row was somewhere in Cromac Ward which included the Markets. Market Street is beside Verner St & St Grorge's Market. Annette Street existed 1841 per its' initial street listing.

Matier's Belfast Directory 1835-1836
John Hutton (Carter) 37 Market Street, Richard Hutton (Carrier)
https://streetdirectories.proni.gov.uk/media/qFCtK0v9F6VCIc9w6HSeMA..a

Henderson's Belfast Directory And Northern Repository 1846-1847 records Richard in Annette Street as a carman.
https://streetdirectories.proni.gov.uk/media/kAITThyNFQnDEd0uAyk19Q..a

a Carrier tended to be longer distance than a Carter.
I presume son Richard who was to be a good boy on the Will, was the eldest son so likely named after his grandfather and brother Richard was a second son named after his father. All were illiterate marking X on Will & 1874 Marriages.

Edit, just seen Jonwarrn has already mentioned the 1852 & Henderson's.

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Re: Hutton family Belfast in 1850-1870’s
« Reply #44 on: Saturday 20 September 25 01:05 BST (UK) »
Probate of the Will of William Hutton late of Vernon-street Belfast Carrier who died 13 June 1896 granted at Belfast to William J. Magowan of Beaconsfield Cottage Strandtown Belfast County Down Farmer.
is interesting reading as owned 3 houses 12,14 & 16 Market Street & had shares in Mitchell's Whisky. May be the William son & Executor for Richard.

Then have Probate of the Will of William James Hutton late of 5 and 7 Verner Street Belfast Carrier who died 14 August 1915 at Verner Street granted at Belfast to Mary A. Hutton the Widow.

Probate of the Will of Thomas Hutton late of 319 Newtownards-road Belfast Carrier who died 17 September 1906 granted at Belfast to Maggie Hutton the Widow.

As Richard died 1863 no death cert for him but will be online for the later ones with ages.

Direct links to the PRONI Will images don't work for others or for you once your 'session has expired' so always just have to search again. Ancestry may hint them if you extended the tree as Web: Northern Ireland, Will Calendar Index, 1858-1965 but their link just takes you to the same blank search screen.

PRONI explain they only digitised the Will copy ledgers made locally before the Wills were sent to Dublin and subsequently destroyed 1922.
"Search the index to will calendar entries for the District Probate Registries of Armagh, Belfast and Londonderry covering the period 1858 to 1965. View digital images of copy wills for Armagh, (1858 to 1918), Belfast (1858 to 1909) and Londonderry (1858 to 1899)."

What is not so clearly stated is that PRONI hold Will Calenders in book format after 1965 and the original Wills once transferred to them from the Probate Office (well past 1965) and those envelopes of Wills, accounts and associated legal paperwork can be requested, viewed and photographed on site.