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Re: Scottish birth and bapism
« Reply #36 on: Monday 22 September 25 23:10 BST (UK) »
There are baptism records for the following children of Peter Allan and Marg Cowe
•   James Allan 1832 (before supposed marriage)
•   Jane Allan 1835
•   Peter Allan 1837
•   Ann Allan 1839
•   Margaret Allan 1844
•   David Allan 1847
•   Alexander Allan 1851
•   Barbara Allan 1852
-   Elspet Allan born 1855 after civil registration

1841 census Allan family
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a142722f4040b9d6e11dbd9/ann-allan-1841-banffshire-marnoch-1840-?locale=en

In 1841 census the youngest son, James, is with Elspet Ritchie age 75
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a142722f4040b9d6e11dbe9/james-allan-1841-banffshire-marnoch-1832-?locale=en

1851 census Allan family
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/59027d9fe9379091b1279ea0/ann-allan-1851-banffshire-marnoch-1840-?locale=en


Who was Elspet Ritchie from that 1841 census? I know it says spinster, but I wonder if that is wrong.
An Elspeth RITCHIE married William COWE in 1791 in Marnoch. She had a son named James Cowe / Ritchie born in 1788 before marriage.

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Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Scottish birth and bapism
« Reply #37 on: Tuesday 23 September 25 09:07 BST (UK) »
Here is the baptism on Freereg for James Allan/ Cowie. The notes state " in fornication before the session". So that was certainly before any marriage!

https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/686116f5865574a4a4df7f76/james-allan-james-cowie-baptism-banffshire-marnoch-1832-08-12?locale=en

The baptisms for Jane and Peter have father's surname transcribed as Allen.

The baptism transcripts on Freereg for Ann, Margaret, David, Alexander and Barbara all have " registered 31 Dec 1855" in the notes. It would be of help to know exactly what this means! Additionally, apart from Barbara's, the Freereg transcripts all record the names of witnesses. I wonder if it would be worth looking at one or two of the siblings baptisms on Scotland's People to see the precise wording.

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Dent (Haltwhistle and Sacriston), Bell and Jetson (Haltwhistle), Postle, Ward, Longstaff, Purvis, Manners, Parnaby and Hardy (Co. Durham), Kennedy and McRobert (Banffshire), Reid(Bathgate), Watson (Wemyss), Graham (Libberton), Sandilands (Carmichael), Munro (Dingwall)

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Re: Scottish birth and bapism
« Reply #38 on: Tuesday 23 September 25 09:50 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Millmoor on Tuesday 23 September 25 09:07 BST (UK)
Here is the baptism on Freereg for James Allan/ Cowie. The notes state " in fornication before the session". So that was certainly before any marriage!

What a shame there are no kirk session records around these dates - it would have been interesting.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Scottish birth and bapism
« Reply #39 on: Friday 03 October 25 12:04 BST (UK) »
Thank you everyone (I've been away for a few days). Re: Elspet, a James Cowe and Margaret McIntosh were Margaret Cowe's parents, she was b. c. 1812, and (we assume) m. Peter Allan. So Elspet might be her grandmother.
HAY - Aberdeen, Shetland, etc.
LEE - Todmorden, etc.
BELSHAW - Farnworth, Bolton, Wigan, Manchester, Todmorden, etc.
ALLINSON - Pontefract, Leeds, etc.
UPWARD - Isle of Wight

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Re: Scottish birth and bapism
« Reply #40 on: Friday 03 October 25 12:42 BST (UK) »
Hi, here's James' baptism, contrast increased. Aug 12th 1832. Can't make it all out: "Peter Allan in Aberchirder had a son ?in fornication by Margt Cowe, baptism ???? - before ???
HAY - Aberdeen, Shetland, etc.
LEE - Todmorden, etc.
BELSHAW - Farnworth, Bolton, Wigan, Manchester, Todmorden, etc.
ALLINSON - Pontefract, Leeds, etc.
UPWARD - Isle of Wight

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Re: Scottish birth and bapism
« Reply #41 on: Friday 03 October 25 12:59 BST (UK) »
See reply 37 above!

I think it is baptised and named James. The last part is before the/ ch session.

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Dent (Haltwhistle and Sacriston), Bell and Jetson (Haltwhistle), Postle, Ward, Longstaff, Purvis, Manners, Parnaby and Hardy (Co. Durham), Kennedy and McRobert (Banffshire), Reid(Bathgate), Watson (Wemyss), Graham (Libberton), Sandilands (Carmichael), Munro (Dingwall)

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Re: Scottish birth and bapism
« Reply #42 on: Friday 03 October 25 22:49 BST (UK) »
"Peter Allan in Aberchirder had a son in fornication by Margt Cowe, baptised name James – before Church session."
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Scottish birth and bapism
« Reply #43 on: Monday 06 October 25 16:44 BST (UK) »
Thank you all of you   :)
HAY - Aberdeen, Shetland, etc.
LEE - Todmorden, etc.
BELSHAW - Farnworth, Bolton, Wigan, Manchester, Todmorden, etc.
ALLINSON - Pontefract, Leeds, etc.
UPWARD - Isle of Wight
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