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Re: Scottish birth and bapism
« Reply #18 on: Friday 19 September 25 11:46 BST (UK) »
A couple of sites worth looking a when it comes to identifying " missing " fathers are Scottish Indexes and Old Scottish.  For example the former has a paternity index which could be of use if Margaret pursued the father.

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Re: Scottish birth and bapism
« Reply #19 on: Friday 19 September 25 13:02 BST (UK) »
thanks, forgot about Scottish Indexes, didn't know about Old Scottish thank you :)
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LEE - Todmorden, etc.
BELSHAW - Farnworth, Bolton, Wigan, Manchester, Todmorden, etc.
ALLINSON - Pontefract, Leeds, etc.
UPWARD - Isle of Wight

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Re: Scottish birth and bapism
« Reply #20 on: Friday 19 September 25 13:18 BST (UK) »
Can't find Peter Allan in the Turriff kirk record, but a lot of it's fairly stained and I'm not used to scanning them, also not sure how far back to go to find his misdemeanour (whatever it was).

I've requested John Howitt/Howet/Howit Alan's birth certificate, if that doesn't say more about his father I'll use the Old Scottish site to see what they can find on him, see if it matches with what I found earlier. And see if I can find the alleged Howit in Edinburgh in a census.
HAY - Aberdeen, Shetland, etc.
LEE - Todmorden, etc.
BELSHAW - Farnworth, Bolton, Wigan, Manchester, Todmorden, etc.
ALLINSON - Pontefract, Leeds, etc.
UPWARD - Isle of Wight

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Re: Scottish birth and bapism
« Reply #21 on: Friday 19 September 25 14:14 BST (UK) »
Also found this Turriff kirk sessions 4 May 1867 (unfortunately at the bottom of the page again in the worst-degraded part)
Allen & Howitt
? Margaret Allen and re-newed ? against William Howitt ? ? ? to be summoned for the second ?

Can't find a subsequent entry, but it is fairly degraded.
HAY - Aberdeen, Shetland, etc.
LEE - Todmorden, etc.
BELSHAW - Farnworth, Bolton, Wigan, Manchester, Todmorden, etc.
ALLINSON - Pontefract, Leeds, etc.
UPWARD - Isle of Wight


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« Reply #22 on: Yesterday at 00:03 »
6th April 1867 Turriff Kirk Session Minutes

Compeared Margaret Allan residing in Turriff who acknowledged herself guilty of fornication and charged William Howit, Tailor, No1 James Square Edinburgh with being the father of her child, and was directed to be summoned.


I don’t think there ever was a third appearance at the Kirk sessions, because it looks as if William Howit had run off to England.

By March 1868 William Howitt, age 21, Tailor was in Leicester Gaol, charged with feloniously receiving, but found not guilty.
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« Reply #23 on: Yesterday at 00:16 »
William Howat in 1851 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/59026547e9379091b1c42c13/william-howat-1851-aberdeenshire-auchterless-1847-?locale=en

1861 census Alvah, Banffshire
William Howat, 14 born Turriff, Apprentice Tailor
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/59027e20e9379091b129a22e/william-howat-1861-banffshire-alvah-1847-?locale=en

William HEWITT, son of William Hewitt and Janet Clerichew
Birth 6 July 1846 Turriff


Parents - William HOWAT married Janet CLERIHEW in Auchterless in 1840
1841 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a14018df4040b9d6ee59557/william-howat-1841-aberdeenshire-turriff-1816-?locale=en

Janet Clerichew (Howit) remarried in Turriff in 1851 to Donald / Daniel McKenzie
1861 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/59026a82e9379091b1d9a213/daniel-mckenzie-1861-aberdeenshire-turriff-1823-?locale=en


Maybe this Death? 
William HOWATT age 35 (mother CLARKHUGH) 1881 Gourock

ADDED
I believe William married Anora / Ann Fitzgerald while in England, about 1876.
Still looking for marriage.

1881 census for Anora and children
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/image-viewer/census_lds/census_lds-3a42d107-651a-43de-b7d3-45e88f748527?search_token=91855202968ce783d685b5&row=row_4&sort=&order=&from_page=

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Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
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Re: Scottish birth and bapism
« Reply #24 on: Yesterday at 09:07 »
Hi Issi

What an interesting and intriguing search this is proving to be!
 
I did a Google search for Peter Allan Aberchirder and the top "hit" was the attached from Old Scottish. Look at the Allan and Allan or McKenzie entries.

https://www.oldscottish.com/criminal-records-banff.html

You will see that the entry for Adam Allan or McKenzie names his father as Peter Allan, dancing master.

I also believe that Peter was the father of the John Allan and William Allan or McKenzie. This is John Allan's baptism.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XB3F-DZB?lang=en

It is unfortunate that the Marnoch Kirk Session records only start at 1842 as Peter was probably censured before that date!

Adam, John and William can be located in the 1841/ 1851 censuses ( as Allan or McKenzie). They are with their mother in 1841 but not in 1851. Sit down for this part! The reason they are not with their mother in 1851 is because in 1845 Helen McKenzie was convicted of theft and sentenced ( with her brother John ) to seven years transportation and ended up in Tasmania. Here is a record from the Scottish Indexes database.

https://www.scottishindexes.com/jcdetail.aspx?jcid=1845084&pid=184508461

The case can be read about in the newspaper archive ( as can the cases with Adam, John and William).

Adam married in 1864. Here is a transcript of his marriage cert naming his parents as Peter Allan and Helen McKenzie,

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSSG-14R4?lang=en

I have actually downloaded the original and he names his father as Peter Allan, painter and his usual address as Aberchirder.

I think you have the basis of a good book here, Issi! And just one general point , having uncovered a large number of illegitimate births among my own Banffshire ancestors, illegitimacy did seem to sometimes run through the generations ( my g grandfather was illegitimate as was his mother, grandfather and g grandfather!).

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Re: Scottish birth and bapism
« Reply #25 on: Yesterday at 10:05 »

... in 1845 Helen McKenzie was convicted of theft and sentenced ( with her brother John ) to seven years transportation and ended up in Tasmania.


Convict Helen / Ellen McKenzie
Arrived Tasmania 1846 on “Emma Eugenia”
7 years sentence
She received her Ticket of Leave in 1849
She received her Certificate of Freedom in 1852

Best place to view original convict documents
https://libraries.tas.gov.au/Record/NamesIndex/1417453


Convict John McKenzie (the younger)
Arrived Tasmania 1846 on “Joseph Sommes”
7 years sentence
Best place to view original convict documents
https://libraries.tas.gov.au/Record/NamesIndex/1417467
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Scottish birth and bapism
« Reply #26 on: Yesterday at 11:05 »
This has been a fascinating read :)
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