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More help needed with army records
« on: Monday 15 September 25 19:46 BST (UK) »
Hi sorry I thought I’d figured everyone out but now I’m looking more closely I’ve got more questions!

Firstly does anyone know what the question under the sticker is?

Secondly a question about his service
On the military history sheet it says NWE 23/2/44 - 7/7/47 This covers his time in Belgium 5mths, Holland 5mths and Germany 19mths.

On a statement of service it says 15/6/44 - 15/8/46 but in red ink above the later date it says 8/7/47.
On another part of the record it says the first of the two dates and calculates the reckonable  service as 2yrs 62dys.
Then says transferred to RP 1/11/46.

On the service and casualty form it’s says discharged from hospital 24/6/46 (he had an abscess seen to)
Then there’s a gap until 21.11. 46 when he moves between 503 to 507.
There’s a purple imprint says LOCAT         1946 between those two entries.
   
I’ve googled RP and get Regimental Police, Refilling point or Road Protection. Not sure if any of those makes sense.
Dad was a driver with The RASC.

TIA. 
Angus.(paternal)  Ferrier, Sutherland, Donaldson, 
(Maternal)  Mitchell, Robbie, Duncan, Suttie, Orchardson or Orchardton, Dempster, Downie Guild, Gibb, Storrier, Murdoch

Aberdeenshire Park, Lawson, Snowie, Bodie, Booth, Kesson, Ewan

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Re: More help needed with army records
« Reply #1 on: Monday 15 September 25 22:24 BST (UK) »
I can't help with the sticker question.  What are the questions immediately before question 8, which might at least give a clue?

As for your other queries, I think it would be helpful to have images of the entries. Context is everything when trying to decipher these entries.

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Re: More help needed with army records
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 16 September 25 09:35 BST (UK) »
Having problems trying to attach photo of sticker
Not sure what’s happening. No message to say the file is too big.
Angus.(paternal)  Ferrier, Sutherland, Donaldson, 
(Maternal)  Mitchell, Robbie, Duncan, Suttie, Orchardson or Orchardton, Dempster, Downie Guild, Gibb, Storrier, Murdoch

Aberdeenshire Park, Lawson, Snowie, Bodie, Booth, Kesson, Ewan

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Re: More help needed with army records
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 16 September 25 09:39 BST (UK) »
Image from service a casualty form.

It’s the one with the gap in the dates.

Can’t get any of the other photos to attach. Will try again tonight.
Angus.(paternal)  Ferrier, Sutherland, Donaldson, 
(Maternal)  Mitchell, Robbie, Duncan, Suttie, Orchardson or Orchardton, Dempster, Downie Guild, Gibb, Storrier, Murdoch

Aberdeenshire Park, Lawson, Snowie, Bodie, Booth, Kesson, Ewan


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Re: More help needed with army records
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 16 September 25 14:44 BST (UK) »
OK I've made a bit of progress on the ODT issue. It stands for Occupational Divisional Transport. I think that just means general transport in support of a Division, with the Occupational referring to the fact that the British Army of the Rhine was occupying Germany.

Details of his units, and where they were stationed, along with their parent Divisional Headquarters shown below. Also the location of 6 (BR) General Hospital (at Iserlohn) where he was in Jun 1946.

503 Company (Occupational Divisional Transport) – 49 (West Riding) Infantry Division 23 Feb 46 – 53 (Welsh) Infantry Division 21 Oct 46 – disbanded 15 Nov 46
507 Company (Armoured Divisional Troop Carrying) – 7 Armoured Division – British Troops Berlin 4 Jul 45 to 19 Mar 46 – 52 (Lowland) Infantry Division (Occupational Divisional Transport) 15 Jun 46 – 7 Armoured Division 15 Jul 46
951 Company (Occupational Divisional Transport) formerly 507 Company (Armoured Division Troop Carrying) – 7 Armoured Division 1 Jan 47 – Hannover District (Mixed) 15 Jan 48


6 (British) General Hospital
(600 beds) – L of C – Oostakker north-east of Ghent-B
16 Jul 45 – Panzer Kaserne later Argonne Barracks Iserlohn – 1 Corps District for admin
Detachment – Hemer east of Iserlohn 1 Jan 46
Detachment – Letmathe west of Iserlohn 1 Jan 46
5 Jun 46 – 6 (Iserlohn) British General Hospital – 1 Corps District
6 Nov 46 – 6 (Iserlohn) British Military Hospital
1 Jul 47 – BAOR: Lieutenant Colonel l EM Hennessy
1 Apr 48 – Families Wing (30 Beds)
16 Feb 49 – Families Wing (60 Beds)


53rd (Welsh) Infantry Division under command 12th Corps
Jun 45 – Main Headquarters Hilden (Wehrmacht) Kaserne later St David’s Barracks relieving XXII Corps United States Army
Responsibility for Regierungsbezirk Düsseldorf
24 May 46 – redeployment to form X Division commences
4 Jun 46 – responsibility for Stadtkreis Bottrop from 49th (West Riding) Infantry Division
15 Jul 46 – responsibility for Stadtkreis Dortmund from 49th (West Riding) Infantry Division
1 Oct 46 – redesignated X Division
Responsibility for Regierungsbezirk Düsseldorf now less Rhein-Wupper-Kreis and Stadtkreis Solingen – Stadtkreis Remscheid – now to include – south-west portion known as Recklinghausen area (south of a line of river Lippe – canals Dortmund-Ems – Lippe-Datteln) and north-west Arnsberg – Ennepe-Ruhrkreis-Kreis – west portion Landkreis Iserlohn – Stadtkreis Lünen – Stadtkreis Dortmund – Stadtkreis Castrop-Rauxel – Stadtkreis Herne – Stadtkreis Wanne-Eickel – Stadtkreis Bochum – Stadtkreis Witten – Stadtkreis Wattenscheid – Stadtkreis Hagen – Stadtkreis Iserlohn
15 Oct 46 – responsibility for the remainder of Landkreis Iserlohn and portion of Landkreis Soest, Landkreis Unna from 49th (West Riding) Infantry Division
1 Feb 47 – redesignated 2nd Infantry Division

7th Armoured Division under command 12th Corps
21 Oct 46 – responsibility for British Army of the Rhine Training Centre and Landkreis Paderborn – Landkreis Büren from 49th (West Riding) Infantry Division
1 Nov 46 – Land Schaumburg-Lippe dissolved – Landkreis Buckeburg – Landkreis Stadthagen to Province Niedersachsen (Lower Saxony)
31 Dec 46 – personnel strength = 626 Officers + 11977 Other Ranks
21 Jan 47 – Regierungsbezirk Minden dissolved former Landkreise to the new Regierungsbezirk Detmold
15 Mar 47 – responsibility for Landkreis Hoxter (excluding Stadtkreis Hoxter) – Landkreis Warburg from 1st Belgian Corps District
1 May 47 – relieved 1st Polish Armoured Division – 4th (British) Liaison Headquarters disbanded
Responsibility for Landkreis Leer – Landkreis Aschendorf-Hummling – Landkreis Cloppenburg – Landkreis Meppen – Landkreis Bersenbrück – Landkreis Lingen – Landkreis Grafschaft Bentheim
1 Jun 47 – Headquarters British Army of the Rhine on disbandment of 1st Corps District
28 Jul 47 – administration responsibility for minor units in Münster and Osnabrück Garrisons to 7th Armoured Brigade
15 Jan 48 – Hannover District formed from 7th Armoured Division and 5th Infantry Division

I have not been able to identify 1091 CRS. It's obviously a reception and holding unit of some sort which processed soldiers returning to the UK for discharge. CRS may possibly refer to the Corps Reception Centre (Sennelager), but I can't find the 1091 used in that context.

As you probably know the X list to which he was posted on 29.4.47 is for soldiers not on the strength of a unit. Sub category 8a refers to "All non-effective held at Base Reinforcement Units whose return to the UK has been authorized"

The LOCAT stamp just refers to a locations index, but it hasn't been filled in so it doesn't really tell us anything. Obviously the image you posted doesn't cover the dates where you say there is a gap.

Some information on the various locations mentioned here.

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Re: More help needed with army records
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 16 September 25 18:58 BST (UK) »
Thanks so much.
I’m wanting to get this into a time line to compare where he was with what was happening in Germany at the time. Think I’m going to be kept busy.
Angus.(paternal)  Ferrier, Sutherland, Donaldson, 
(Maternal)  Mitchell, Robbie, Duncan, Suttie, Orchardson or Orchardton, Dempster, Downie Guild, Gibb, Storrier, Murdoch

Aberdeenshire Park, Lawson, Snowie, Bodie, Booth, Kesson, Ewan

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Re: More help needed with army records
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 16 September 25 20:41 BST (UK) »
The image with the date change
Angus.(paternal)  Ferrier, Sutherland, Donaldson, 
(Maternal)  Mitchell, Robbie, Duncan, Suttie, Orchardson or Orchardton, Dempster, Downie Guild, Gibb, Storrier, Murdoch

Aberdeenshire Park, Lawson, Snowie, Bodie, Booth, Kesson, Ewan

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Re: More help needed with army records
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 16 September 25 20:45 BST (UK) »
This is where it I get the date sent to RP from.
Angus.(paternal)  Ferrier, Sutherland, Donaldson, 
(Maternal)  Mitchell, Robbie, Duncan, Suttie, Orchardson or Orchardton, Dempster, Downie Guild, Gibb, Storrier, Murdoch

Aberdeenshire Park, Lawson, Snowie, Bodie, Booth, Kesson, Ewan

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Re: More help needed with army records
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 16 September 25 20:58 BST (UK) »
Re ODT

There’s a stamp next to the major’s signature on his release papers which says OCC DIV TPT that agrees with your finding.

I’ve had a look at a medical from he had done before he did some army training in 1952. It says he had another abscess treated at CRS 24/4/47.
Angus.(paternal)  Ferrier, Sutherland, Donaldson, 
(Maternal)  Mitchell, Robbie, Duncan, Suttie, Orchardson or Orchardton, Dempster, Downie Guild, Gibb, Storrier, Murdoch

Aberdeenshire Park, Lawson, Snowie, Bodie, Booth, Kesson, Ewan