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Offline CarolineWebb

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Help please - very confused!!!
« on: Sunday 14 September 25 12:16 BST (UK) »
I have been researching my husband's great great grandmother Harriet Terry, but have got very confused in doing so!
The only birth we managed to find was a Harriet Lawrence (mother's maiden name Terry) for the birth year of 1846. This matches a baptism for a Harriet Lawrence Terry with parents Henry Lawrence and Mary Ann Terry but it says to a single woman so they obviously weren't married.
The birth certificate says that the mother is Mary Ann Lawrence (formerly Terry) although there is no marriage record.
Harriet's marriage certificate says that her father's name was William Terry (a stamper). We then found a marriage for Mary Ann Terry to William Greenhill (a stamper) so presume she has named her step-father rather than her biological father.
Then to confuse matters even more, Harriet aged 5 is living with her grandparents (1851 census) - Samuel and Ann Terry. We can't find her anywhere on the 1861 census.
Then in 1887 we found a marriage for Mary Ann Terry to Henry Lawrence (Harriet's biological parents) , but it says they were bachelor and spinster! Brain frazzled  ???

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Re: Help please - very confused!!!
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 14 September 25 12:28 BST (UK) »
What county are we looking at here?
I presume England?
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Re: Help please - very confused!!!
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 14 September 25 12:33 BST (UK) »
Marriage for Mary Ann and William appears in June quarter 1848 - Aston (Birmingham) RD.
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Re: Help please - very confused!!!
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 14 September 25 12:42 BST (UK) »
It wasn't compulsory to state widow(er) on a marriage cert. although most
people did.
I assume William Greenhill was dead by 1887.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Help please - very confused!!!
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 14 September 25 12:44 BST (UK) »
William Greenhill is aged 27 and a Widower - Father is Joseph
Mary Ann Terry is aged 24 and a spinster - Father is Samuel

Marriage was at St Peter and St Paul, Aston - 24 April 1848.  Residence for both parties given as Duddeston.  William signed, Mary Ann made her mark.  Witnesses:  Joseph Greenhill and ? Lee.

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Re: Help please - very confused!!!
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 14 September 25 12:55 BST (UK) »
Can see just 1 death for a William Greenhill correct age & place.
Died 15/12/1890 Erdington Workhouse aged 69.
Possibly the 2nd. marriage was bigamous.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Help please - very confused!!!
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 14 September 25 13:00 BST (UK) »
1881 has a Mar William Greenhill in London, occp Stamper, born c 1819 Birmingham.

1881 Mary Ann Greenhill is saying she is widowed.
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Re: Help please - very confused!!!
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 14 September 25 16:18 BST (UK) »
What county are we looking at here?
I presume England?

Oops really sorry, that would be of some help wouldn't it? All this took place in the Aston area of Birmingham

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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 14 September 25 16:19 BST (UK) »
Can see just 1 death for a William Greenhill correct age & place.
Died 15/12/1890 Erdington Workhouse aged 69.
Possibly the 2nd. marriage was bigamous.

Hmm interesting, if it was bigamous that would make sense of why they said they were bachelor and spinster