When do you have enough information?

[BushInn1746]

I will be going through all of the DNA matches on Ancestry where they share a common ancestor. In the end it comes down to their research being correct as well as mine. There are several matches back to our common ancestors in that line, and provided the person is correct in that someone is really their ancestor and hasn't just copied from family tree, then I can safely say that John Andrew was the biological son of Julia Knox. There would be no other way of being a match otherwise. The paper trail has to be correct as we don't have DNA samples from our ancestors.

Yes, I agree with your 2nd sentence.

You could have a 100% dna match, but if either party has gone wrong just once, in their paper trail research, DNA matches prove nothing.

Somewhere I posted a link to the Leicester University research of the King found buried under the Leicester Car Park.

I believe considerable time was spent looking for sources, finding documents and then visiting archives to see them.

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A line from my Family Tree (who married an Arundel), it was claimed their family name was related to the Earl and when she married they even named a son Bernard, but with the middle name Pearson (it makes no sense).

However, the family folklore may have been just to cover up for a 19th Century illegitimate Birth of theirs (recorded on the baptism register as illegitimate), but the Mother did appear to marry the Father according to the Census, but some folklore may be true.

Mark

[dobfarm]

A copy of Campbell Williams Will being a solicitor would be an interesting read. (if one survived) or Julia Williams nee Knox if she left one.

[Biggles50]

I've checked dna matches on Ancestry and found errors in the family trees.

I've also checked dna matches on Wikitree and found that I match descendants of people in the Julia (Knox)Williams tree. I woudn't be a dna match if John Andrew wasn't her son. I haven't been able to find a baptismal record for anyone anywhere in Ireland with that name. I suspect the baptism either wasn't recorded (clerical error) or it hasn't been digitised. Julia was the daughter of a Reverend and I think she would have had her son baptised.

This is precisely why researchers should not rely solely on documents, citations etc all it takes is one error and the branch is essentially useless.

DNA is the key to unlocking the truth, irrespective of what others may post to the contrary.

At distant relationships there may be no DNA inherited, and at low cM there may be false positives but above 20cM shared then that is the cut off that I use in adding DNA Cousins to our family tree it is a reasonable deduction to make.  With “Low Shared cM” and yes documents and citations are IMO required to substantiate the relationship and even as low as 7cM have been successfully included in our tree.

You are doing well and all looks very good for you solving the mystery.

[Sinann]

The church register in Queenstown could have been damaged, or the edges of the paper page worn at the top and bottom of a page that had written single line entries rubbed off, or register covering 1840 left on a shelf and forgotten about, or damage in a fire or just lost in time.

The COI register for Queenstown AKA Clonmel Cloyne aren’t online, they are code yellow and key M
See
https://www.churchofireland.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/registers/ParishRegisters/PARISHREGISTERS.pdf

[dobfarm]

I've checked dna matches on Ancestry and found errors in the family trees.

I've also checked dna matches on Wikitree and found that I match descendants of people in the Julia (Knox)Williams tree. I woudn't be a dna match if John Andrew wasn't her son. I haven't been able to find a baptismal record for anyone anywhere in Ireland with that name. I suspect the baptism either wasn't recorded (clerical error) or it hasn't been digitised. Julia was the daughter of a Reverend and I think she would have had her son baptised.

This is precisely why researchers should not rely solely on documents, citations etc all it takes is one error and the branch is essentially useless.

DNA is the key to unlocking the truth, irrespective of what others may post to the contrary.

At distant relationships there may be no DNA inherited, and at low cM there may be false positives but above 20cM shared then that is the cut off that I use in adding DNA Cousins to our family tree it is a reasonable deduction to make.  With “Low Shared cM” and yes documents and citations are IMO required to substantiate the relationship and even as low as 7cM have been successfully included in our tree.

You are doing well and all looks very good for you solving the mystery.

That one error could be the milkman  while hubby was at work! 

[Jillity]

The church register in Queenstown could have been damaged, or the edges of the paper page worn at the top and bottom of a page that had written single line entries rubbed off, or register covering 1840 left on a shelf and forgotten about, or damage in a fire or just lost in time.

If you have made the DNA link match to Julia Knox  and your DNA to Julia Knox was through John Andrew Williams your great granddad - so you have your result and as a bonus you found Julia Williams nee Knox death place and in time hopefully the date.

Well done 

I don't know that the baptism was in Queenstown and I'm sceptical about the birth being there as well. The family came from Dublin and they lived in Dublin. I think the record either hasn't been digitised or it wasn't recorded. There isn't a record in the whole of Ireland for anyone at all with that name being baptised. The only other explanation is that the name was changed, but that wouldn't explain the apparent DNA connection. If he was Julia and Campbell's only son it sounds as if they really wanted to name him after Julia's brother. It's likely t o remain a mystery.

[Biggles50]

I've checked dna matches on Ancestry and found errors in the family trees.

I've also checked dna matches on Wikitree and found that I match descendants of people in the Julia (Knox)Williams tree. I woudn't be a dna match if John Andrew wasn't her son. I haven't been able to find a baptismal record for anyone anywhere in Ireland with that name. I suspect the baptism either wasn't recorded (clerical error) or it hasn't been digitised. Julia was the daughter of a Reverend and I think she would have had her son baptised.

This is precisely why researchers should not rely solely on documents, citations etc all it takes is one error and the branch is essentially useless.

DNA is the key to unlocking the truth, irrespective of what others may post to the contrary.

At distant relationships there may be no DNA inherited, and at low cM there may be false positives but above 20cM shared then that is the cut off that I use in adding DNA Cousins to our family tree it is a reasonable deduction to make.  With “Low Shared cM” and yes documents and citations are IMO required to substantiate the relationship and even as low as 7cM have been successfully included in our tree.

You are doing well and all looks very good for you solving the mystery.

That one error could be the milkman  while hubby was at work! 

Or in my case, it was the Butcher.

[dobfarm]

The church register in Queenstown could have been damaged, or the edges of the paper page worn at the top and bottom of a page that had written single line entries rubbed off, or register covering 1840 left on a shelf and forgotten about, or damage in a fire or just lost in time.

If you have made the DNA link match to Julia Knox  and your DNA to Julia Knox was through John Andrew Williams your great granddad - so you have your result and as a bonus you found Julia Williams nee Knox death place and in time hopefully the date.

Well done 

I don't know that the baptism was in Queenstown and I'm sceptical about the birth being there as well. The family came from Dublin and they lived in Dublin. I think the record either hasn't been digitised or it wasn't recorded. There isn't a record in the whole of Ireland for anyone at all with that name being baptised. The only other explanation is that the name was changed, but that wouldn't explain the apparent DNA connection. If he was Julia and Campbell's only son it sounds as if they really wanted to name him after Julia's brother. It's likely t o remain a mystery.

[dobfarm]

The National library of Ireland has the Catholic register as for Cobh

   Cobh Parish (Diocese of Cloyne, Ireland: Catholic) county Cork

1827 to 1863 (See link)

https://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000633022