When do you have enough information?

[Sinann]

I thought the point of the thread was to find some sort of written record to add to the DNA and records already found which would state Julia was John Andrew’s mother.
The problem I think is the lack of COI records online. They are (we were told) working on putting them online but it’s a slow process and no word of when yet.

[BushInn1746]

I believed the original poster was stuck at Campbell William Williams Esq'r who married Julia Knox in Dublin.

The 1838 Dublin Street Directory lists an address for a Campbell William Williams as 47 Baggot Street, Dublin and an earlier 1820 Directory has a George Williams, Esq., at that address. Reply #77 & 78.

Attachments in Reply #79 do mention Campbell William Williams and his Wife Julia Williams, previously Knox and other Knox?

In the attachment Reply #80 if George Williams Esq of Baggot Street in the City of Dublin, was the Father of Campbell William Williams (also mentioned, but relationship not noted) his Wife at the time of the document was Mary Williams.

Of course some people marry more than once.

1833 George Williams of Baggot Street City of Dublin
1833 Margaret Evans Bargain and Sold to George Williams, land held by him in the Barony of Middlethird & County of Tipperary by virtue of a Lease dated 1816 for 21 years.


Comment
This link to William the Conqueror has been claimed before in relation to the Knox family, by using a family taking the surname Knox (assuming it).

But even if you can go back to a famous Knox, that would be quite something.

Mark

[BushInn1746]

Documents relating to the family of Campbell William Williams of the City of Dublin who had married Julia Knox, mention other Knox, also Wilson and Bouchier and others.

At first glance looking at Julia Knox, seeing the surname Bouchier mentioned might be something to follow up? See snippets of documents in Reply #79.

Bouchier were significant Landowners in Ireland by 1800 and an unverified source says significant Landowners since Elizabethan times (Eliz I).

Mark

[dobfarm]

Deleted

Sorry I clicked on the wrong post quote

[dobfarm]

I believed the original poster was stuck at Campbell William Williams Esq'r who married Julia Knox in Dublin.

The 1838 Dublin Street Directory lists an address for a Campbell William Williams as 47 Baggot Street, Dublin and an earlier 1820 Directory has a George Williams, Esq., at that address. Reply #77 & 78.

Attachments in Reply #79 do mention Campbell William Williams and his Wife Julia Williams, previously Knox and other Knox?

In the attachment Reply #80 if George Williams Esq of Baggot Street in the City of Dublin, was the Father of Campbell William Williams (also mentioned, but relationship not noted) his Wife at the time of the document was Mary Williams.

Of course some people marry more than once.

1833 George Williams of Baggot Street City of Dublin
1833 Margaret Evans Bargain and Sold to George Williams, land held by him in the Barony of Middlethird & County of Tipperary by virtue of a Lease dated 1816 for 21 years.


Comment
This link to William the Conqueror has been claimed before in relation to the Knox family and a family taking the name Knox (assuming it).

But even if you can go back to a famous Knox, that would be quite something.

Mark

Its usually only the very noble aristocracy, or very remote places or parishes with baptisms entered in family bibles (like an Islands off the main coastland ) that can claim to go back further back than pre parish registers or pre mid 1500's in the 16th century when trying to find accurate proof. Most info pre 1500 is copied from books or trees. I think DNA would be iffy that far back as accuracy of proof.

Off hand - personally I think it comes in the same category as trying to prove accurately a descending ancestor of Robin Hood .    but!!!  - sometimes on a rainy miserable day sat at their computer,  it makes people feel good  thinking their tree has a King or Queen in it who could't give a monkey's about proof or accuracy .

 So what the heck!!   

[BushInn1746]

This supposed claim of a Knox link to William the Conqueror, may have come from a misunderstanding.

I was about to post a piece from the 1824 document last night which appears to link Rev Knox of the Parish of St Catherine, in the City of Dublin, to a Knox at a place called Strokestown, County Roscommon.

Interesting to note a reference to Strokestown in the published "Knox of Prehen".

I attach Knox of Prehen.

In a Marriage Settlement document there was a reference to Faren[?] Cottage, probably the one spelt Farn in the attached history.

See Knox's Marriage Settlement 1824, Registered 20th January. Also the full document at Reply 79 (only parts attached).

Don't be disappointed, the initial glances of the documents available, suggest this family of yours appear to have an interesting history.

 -------------------------------------------------------------

Yes, most people have got to get a documented History back to a 'Gateway Ancestor' who appears in one of the long Rolls they roll out at The College of Arms (if in England), or the Court of Lord Lyon (Scotland), or the country's equivalent.


Mark

Added: Knox of Kilmannock

[BushInn1746]

Still a most interesting family from a Scottish History, point of view ...

A blog about Prehen House

http://lordbelmontinnorthernireland.blogspot.com/2015/01/prehen-house.html

 --------------------

The references by Burke appear to mean that this Knox family can be traced back to the time period of William I.
 ... temp. William I.

Not to William I.

Mark