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Re: When do you have enough information?
« Reply #72 on: Saturday 13 September 25 19:37 BST (UK) »
1827 to 1863 (See link)

https://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000633022

Cobh
Diocese of Cloyne | County of Cork
Variant forms of parish name:
Queenstown

Baptisms 1812-1880
Marriages 1812-1880

https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0036


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Re: When do you have enough information?
« Reply #73 on: Saturday 13 September 25 20:09 BST (UK) »
The National library of Ireland has the Catholic register as for Cobh

   Cobh Parish (Diocese of Cloyne, Ireland: Catholic) county Cork

1827 to 1863 (See link)

https://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000633022
He wasn't Catholic and I don't think he would have been baptised in Cobh. His Grandfather was the vicar of St Catherines in Dublin and he would most likely have been baptised there. I have a 26cM match with people in the Knox family. Anything over 20 centiMorgans is considered to be significant, so he's unlikely to be the son of Bridie from round the corner. I have no celtic Irish in my DNA, but I do have 29% Scottish. My Irish ancestors were landed gentry and nobiity who originated from Scotland and England.

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Re: When do you have enough information?
« Reply #74 on: Saturday 13 September 25 23:25 BST (UK) »
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Re: When do you have enough information?
« Reply #75 on: Sunday 14 September 25 04:30 BST (UK) »

He wasn't Catholic and I don't think he would have been baptised in Cobh. His Grandfather was the vicar of St Catherines in Dublin and he would most likely have been baptised there. I have a 26cM match with people in the Knox family. Anything over 20 centiMorgans is considered to be significant, so he's unlikely to be the son of Bridie from round the corner. I have no celtic Irish in my DNA, but I do have 29% Scottish. My Irish ancestors were landed gentry and nobiity who originated from Scotland and England.

I only got thru 4 or 5 pages of this 9 page exposition. But I don't understand why there is any question at all. OP stated in the very first post, and restates here that there is a DNA link to the appropriate Knox family.

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Re: When do you have enough information?
« Reply #76 on: Sunday 14 September 25 10:34 BST (UK) »
For my Birthday a couple of years ago my Wife bought me a book “Tracing Your Irish Ancestors”.

On one of the early pages the text said “if you are researching before 1865 …… good luck”.

Irish records are incomplete and fickle and it is very easy to get stuck on a location just because of a name.

Go with DNA, if there are “paper” records as well then that is all well and good.

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Re: When do you have enough information?
« Reply #77 on: Sunday 14 September 25 13:11 BST (UK) »
I have a lot of information about my great grandfather. I have his father's name, where he was born, who his sisters were. I know who he married and the names of his children. I have his marriage certificates and his death certificate. The one thing I've never found is any kind of record of his birth or baptism, and therefore I have never found anything that tells me his mother's name. I know his father was called William Campbell Williams or sometimes he was called Campbell William Williams. I know he was married to Julia Williams nee Knox There are several land transaction documents online that name the members of the family including my great grandfather. Not one of them specifically says Julia was his mother although she did leave him property. His name was John Andrew, the same as Julia's brother. He called his first daughter Maria Julia. One of his sisters was called Hannah Maria. I have DNA matches to people in the Knox family. Do you think this is enough evidence to conclude that Julia was his mother or should I keep looking?
The reason this is important to me is that if Julia was his mother, then her family goes back all the way to William the Conqueror. If his mother was Bridie from round the corner, then I'm probably descended from the local washerwoman. I'm not sure if I want the royal ancestors or not. They were pretty awful.

Campbell William Williams and Julia Knox were recorded as getting married in Dublin in 1827.

There are 16 family trees on Ancestry with the  so you may like to compare what they have with the info you have.

DNA can validate the lines if you can populate and verify each person with the usual records.

One tree has Hannah Maria b1829 and Julia b1830.


Hello

I am not sure if you have this, nor if it has been spotted already and I hope I have scrolled back to the correct title page to get the Directory Year.

Pettigrew & Oulton's Directory
Published Dublin [believed to be 1838]

 
Baggot Street. Lower
 
47 Robert Williams, Surgeon
 "  Campbell William Williams, Attorney
 "  H. G. Grady, Solicitor

Two with the surname WILLIAMS at the same address, a relative or coincidence?

If he was a relative, you have another person to go at?

Also attached is unumbered [page 543] (between pages 542 & 544 Religions of Dublin, on the film).

The Directory is recorded as damaged and also appears to be disbound according to the images.

Mark


ADDED:

Reply #12 mentions a George Williams, of that address, it seems?

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=778193.msg6321018#msg6321018

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Re: When do you have enough information?
« Reply #78 on: Sunday 14 September 25 14:22 BST (UK) »
1820 Directory. 1820 to 1822 Edition

George Williams, Esq., 47 Baggot Street Dublin

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Re: When do you have enough information?
« Reply #79 on: Sunday 14 September 25 15:41 BST (UK) »
Here is part of the 1835 Dublin Ireland Registration mentioning Campbell William Williams and Julia Knox and some of their connections ...

 ... Campbell William & Julia Williams otherwise Knox ...

Entered in the Register in the Registry Office Dublin 4th December 1835 and No. 206 (several book openings)

Several openings, cannot post a page in full due to size limit and reducing them will make them difficult to read.

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Re: When do you have enough information?
« Reply #80 on: Sunday 14 September 25 21:54 BST (UK) »
1825 Burgh & others to Williams & others

 ... George Williams of Baggot Street in the said City of Dublin Esq'r Mary Williams his Wife and Margaret Evans of the Town of Clonmel in the County of Tipperary Widow of the second Part ...

George Williams repeated later in document and a reference to Campbell William Williams of Baggot Street in the City of Dublin Esq