Author Topic: Peterhead  (Read 1698 times)

Offline jessienicolson

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 501
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Peterhead
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 06 September 25 17:25 BST (UK) »
thank u

Offline ruthhelen

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 409
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Peterhead
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 07 September 25 19:14 BST (UK) »
I think I may have found your James Sutherland - but boy was it a convoluted journey :-)

He was registered as James Sutherland Blackhall on 15 January 1888 in Glasgow, the illegitimate son of one ‘Jane Blackhall, worker in a sausage factory’. Not obviously your Jane Reid, but two additional pieces of evidence point to this, indeed, being her. Firstly, Jane’s mother was Elspet Blackhall, and secondly, there is a Jane Sutherland, sausage maker in the 1891 census at 396 Parliamentary Street, Glasgow - that is the address that both Thomas Sutherland and Jane Reid give as their address when they get married on 23 April 1891.

James is not with his mother in 1891 - he could be the Jas Sutherland lodging with the Smylie family mentioned above. He appears again with Thomas Sutherland, Jane Reid and Thomas Sutherland junior in 1901 in Aberdeen, as we already know.

I next find him as James Sutherland Blackhall in Aberdeen, where he is imprisoned in 1910 - born Glasgow, living at 2 York Place, Aberdeen, occupation: trawl fireman. He then appears, also as James Sutherland Blackhall, trawl fireman, lodging in Marishal Street, Aberdeen. In 1911.

By 1920, he’s calling himself James Blackhall Sutherland. He marries in Aberdeen on 29 December 1920 to Johanna Georgeson Campbell or Hepburn (a widow) - father Thomas Sutherland, trawl engineer; mother Jane Reid. Both James and Johanna are in Aberdeen in the 1921 census with two of Johanna’s children from her first marriage.

James Blackhall Sutherland died in 1946 in Aberdeen. His death was registered by his son - it looks like J Sutherland - although I can’t see an obvious candidate for him - there were a lot of J Sutherlands born in Aberdeen in the 1920s. James and Johanna did have at least one daughter, Edith Bruce Sutherland, born in 1921. She married James Gauld Cowie in Aberdeen in 1948, and died in 2005 in Aberdeen.

Ruth
McArthur, Milne, Mitchell, Black, Robertson, Morrison, Slessor, Lawrence - Aberdeenshire/Banffshire. Muir, Waddell, Fraser, Orr, Cowden - Lanarkshire/Renfrewshire/Dunbartonshire. Dalziel, Dalzell, Gourley, Cromie, Crombie, Bell - Co Down. Lewis, Corrigan, Morris, Cox, Hay - Monmouthshire/Pembrokeshire.  Baker, Ginger, Woodhurst, Swift, Jones - Kent/London.

Offline jessienicolson

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 501
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Peterhead
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 07 September 25 20:15 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much for doing all this work for me.  Little wonder I have never found him.  Why on earth did she give him the name Blackhall, we will never know.  This great grandmother of mine has had several illegitimate children before marrying in1891.  One of her children was my grandmother born 1884 in Aberdeen. I am overjoyed with your news and will find it hard to sleep tonight.  I thank  you from the bottom of my heart.

Offline jessienicolson

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 501
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Peterhead
« Reply #12 on: Monday 08 September 25 09:47 BST (UK) »
Once again thank you for all the details about James Sutherland, I dont suppose you would know the details of why he was imprisoned. 


Offline ruthhelen

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 409
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Peterhead
« Reply #13 on: Monday 08 September 25 12:35 BST (UK) »
I don't, but the lovely folk at Scottish Indexes will be able to supply you with more details for a modest fee: https://www.scottishindexes.com/prisontranscript.aspx?prisonid=661735126

Ruth
McArthur, Milne, Mitchell, Black, Robertson, Morrison, Slessor, Lawrence - Aberdeenshire/Banffshire. Muir, Waddell, Fraser, Orr, Cowden - Lanarkshire/Renfrewshire/Dunbartonshire. Dalziel, Dalzell, Gourley, Cromie, Crombie, Bell - Co Down. Lewis, Corrigan, Morris, Cox, Hay - Monmouthshire/Pembrokeshire.  Baker, Ginger, Woodhurst, Swift, Jones - Kent/London.

Offline jessienicolson

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 501
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Peterhead
« Reply #14 on: Monday 08 September 25 12:44 BST (UK) »
thank you

Offline softly softly

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,297
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Peterhead
« Reply #15 on: Monday 08 September 25 13:27 BST (UK) »
ruthhelen, great sleuthing, well done.

SS

Online Rena

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 4,979
  • Crown Copyright: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Peterhead
« Reply #16 on: Monday 08 September 25 22:50 BST (UK) »
ruthhelen :  absolutely well done!
Aberdeen: Findlay-Shirras,McCarthy: MidLothian: Mason,Telford,Darling,Cruikshanks,Bennett,Sime, Bell: Lanarks:Crum, Brown, MacKenzie,Cameron, Glen, Millar; Ross: Urray:Mackenzie:  Moray: Findlay; Marshall/Marischell: Perthshire: Brown Ferguson: Wales: McCarthy, Thomas: England: Almond, Askin, Dodson, Well(es). Harrison, Maw, McCarthy, Munford, Pye, Shearing, Smith, Smythe, Speight, Strike, Wallis/Wallace, Ward, Wells;Germany: Flamme,Ehlers, Bielstein, Germer, Mohlm, Reupke

Offline ruthhelen

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 409
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Peterhead
« Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 21:19 »
I do love a good puzzle  ;D

And just to round this one off - the elusive son - J Sutherland, who registered his father’s death. James Blackhall Sutherland and Johanna Georgeson Campbell lived at the same address in Aberdeen until James died in 1946. Going through the electoral registers, their son pops up in the 1940s, he was John Hay Sutherland, who was born in 1923 in Aberdeen. He married Lilian Elizabeth Robertson Beattie or Forbes in Aberdeen in 1950. They emigrated to the USA in 1954. John Hay Sutherland died in Snohomish, Washington in 2005, and his wife died in 2002.

Ruth
McArthur, Milne, Mitchell, Black, Robertson, Morrison, Slessor, Lawrence - Aberdeenshire/Banffshire. Muir, Waddell, Fraser, Orr, Cowden - Lanarkshire/Renfrewshire/Dunbartonshire. Dalziel, Dalzell, Gourley, Cromie, Crombie, Bell - Co Down. Lewis, Corrigan, Morris, Cox, Hay - Monmouthshire/Pembrokeshire.  Baker, Ginger, Woodhurst, Swift, Jones - Kent/London.