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Offline patmar

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"Adoption" ???
« on: Friday 05 September 25 17:24 BST (UK) »
MY mother and her twin brother were born in November 1916 in Liverpool. Soon after they were baptised in St Columba Church Liverpool. Few week later in Dublin they were baptised again. In 1920 they were baptised again in Dublin.

The birth was to a couple Wallis and Matilda Darlington, both normally resident in Dublin

First Baptism was in Liverpool and parents were the same Wallis and Matilda Darlington

Second baptism in Dublin the parents were Matilda and Patrick Walsh. Right up to date this couple were the biological parents thanks to DNA results

Third baptism in 1920 Dublin the parents were a John Derwin and Annie Derwin. The twins were baptised as John Oliver Derwin and Mary Patricia Derwin

The big question, no legal adoption in Ireland until 1952 so how did 1920 baptism indicate the twins had been adopted ??

I and my siblings assumed the Derwins were our biological grandparents until 1994 which was 20 years after mother died in 1974. Was a little surpise to us !!!

Looking for advice as to whether in 1920 Ireland there was loopholes in law that allowed such "adoptions" ?




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Re: "Adoption" ???
« Reply #1 on: Friday 05 September 25 18:00 BST (UK) »
Although there was no "legal" adoption as we know it today - Adoption as a process still went on.
Several Charities & Church groups were involved in various adoptions although the majority of adoptions were thought to be within the greater family group or persons known to the family.
All perfectly legal.

The various pieces of legislation brought in greater protections for the children concerned and a more formalised structure and procedure to the whole process.

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« Reply #2 on: Friday 05 September 25 21:34 BST (UK) »
A few things struck me after reading your post so I did a little bit of searching and am still puzzled. I'm not sure how much of this information you might have already found.

Wallis Darlington (d.1945) m.(1908 COI) Matilda Jane Adams (c1887-1957)
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1908/10064/5660534.pdf
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/New_Kilmainham/Tyrconnell_Street/101526/ (m.2 yrs, 1 ch (living) Matilda from Limerick, Church of Ireland)
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1945/04625/4227669.pdf
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1957/04393/4142518.pdf (married crossed out then widow written in)
1. Charlotte Mary Darlington (1909-Aug.1911)
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1909/01594/1640533.pdf (Mary Charlotte)
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1911/05389/4504408.pdf
2. Ralph Darlington (1912-aft.1945) m.(1939)
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1912/01493/1607016.pdf
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1939/08854/5201678.pdf
3. ? twins born 1916 Liverpool
4. Wallace Victor Darlington (1918-Jan.1919)
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1919/01257/1522051.pdf
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1919/05162/4423712.pdf (father- soldier)
5. Phyllis Matilda Darlington (1922)
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1923/01140/1476722.pdf

In Jan.1919 Wakkis Darlington was a soldier so possibly earlier, while he was away, wife Matilda got pregnant, traveled to Liverpool, had the twins then returned to Dublin.
What denomination was the first baptis, in Liverpool? and the 2nd one in Dublin?
Who was the informant when the twins were born? Matilda could have registered the children and given the details of her husband Wallis was the father.
Whatever did happen the couple went on to have more children (not sure if any born after 1925) and In Memorium notices in the newspapers list the couple together.

Now to the Derwin couple. I found them in 19110 married 7 years 1 child (dead?)-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rotunda/Dominick_Street__Lower/61363/
I didn't find their married or any child but in 1911 they were listed as Roman Catholic.

Many denominations did facilitate adoptions but probably amongst their own denomination. However, here it seems to be a Catholic couple belonging to (at least) a COI mother.
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: "Adoption" ???
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 06 September 25 00:14 BST (UK) »
Births were registered in 1917

DARLINGTON, RUTH       Mother - ADAMS 
GRO Reference: 1917  M Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 08B  Page 124

DARLINGTON, RUPERT       Mother - ADAMS 
GRO Reference: 1917  M Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 08B  Page 124
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Re: "Adoption" ???
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 06 September 25 08:47 BST (UK) »
What denomination was the first baptis, in Liverpool? and the 2nd one in Dublin?

The Liverpool baptisms were CofE.
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« Reply #5 on: Saturday 06 September 25 19:59 BST (UK) »
I believe we might have wasted our time  :-\
Fo a brief period earlier I was able to view the OP's topics and see that all that we posted and more has already been mentioned in several earlier topics  ::)
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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 07 September 25 12:11 BST (UK) »
Hope I am not jumping to wrong conclusion Aghadowey but your post does suggest to me that you are branding me as a time waster. I gave a brief background to a question about possible loopholes to adoption in Ireland. I have gained great benefits from Rootschat over last 7/9 years between good info and linking with relatives I had known about. To be branded any sort of a pest is to say the least disappointing. Hopefully I got your post wrong
Your post outlining relevant info on my tree was all accurate but all of I have known for a couple of years now and actually put my complicated family tree into a 109 page book which I had printed. My mother and her twin brother were born in 1916 and 4 years later were baptised with names they used throughout their lives. When I finally traced their origins where they were in the 4 years was not important to me but always in back of mind to find out the details of their "adoption" Hence my op as you call it
No matter, I am a great admirer of Rootschat and would  be sorely disappointed to be dumped out

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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 07 September 25 18:18 BST (UK) »
Finally able to log in. Had thought, when I originally posted yesterday, that in a short while I could add more details to my message pointing out your earlier topics but couldn't log back in and still can't get previous posts of users.
I was fully aware that this query was primarily about what sort of adoption options were available in Ireland before the procedure as we know it today. I touched briefly on religious adoptions at the end of my post and the other replies have also addressed this.
I DID NOT say that you wasted our time- I said that we (myself and other posters) wasted our time because it turns out you already had the information. I suspect not being able to view previous posts might also have been an issue for them also.
Not at all sure what you mean about being dumped out  ???
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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 10 September 25 13:16 BST (UK) »
A lot of babies born to unmarried mothers in Ireland went to live with other members of the family no adoption happen and the babies were never told what had happen, my aunt had a Daughter before 1940 and went to live with other members of the family I found out about this in the 1980's.