Elenor Gingles/Scott

[KGarrad]

Forgive my ignorance, but I'm not familiar with naming conventions in Ireland and/or Ulster.

I'm doing a tree for a friend.
His paternal grandmother was Mary Louisa Gingles, born 1892, Belfast.
Mother's name not recorded at birth.

On 1901 census her mother is named as Elenor Gingles/Scott, a widow age 49. I think(?) born Carlow.
Mother and daughter are Presbytarian.

Does this mean Elenor Scott married a Mr Gingles?
Or is Mary Louisa illegitimate?

Not seeing a marriage.

[Elwyn Soutter]

If this is the correct birth certificate it gives both parents names, and indicates they were married:

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1892/02328/1871736.pdf

However the mother’s name is Maggie Scott not Elenor. Odd. But I think it’s the right parents though. This looks to be their marriage in 1889. Note that Maggie was a widow, whose maiden name was Scott.

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10731/5912609.pdf

I think the mother’s place of birth in the 1901 census is Cabrag(h), Co Down, (not Carlow).

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Ormeau/Ardgowan_Street/1208681/

In the 1901 census, the mother seems to have reverted to her maiden name.

[rosie17]

If I am looking at the right family is that not her on the 1911 census with her mother Margaret ?

Was looking at this birth for a Mary Louisa Gingles 28 November 1892 19 Walnut Street Belfast
Father James Gingles occupation chemist mother Maggie Gingles formerley Scott

Birth on irishgenealogy is this not the person you are looking for

Rosie

[rosie17]

Snap Elwyn but your the clever one I don't  know how to copy and paste


Rosie

[Elwyn Soutter]

I'll add the 1911 census where the surname is Gingles again.

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Cromac/Collingwood_Ave_/158994/


Maggie Scott’s first marriage in 1880 to Samuel Livingstone:

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1880/11048/8041215.pdf

His death in 1886:

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1886/06263/4794010.pdf


Mary Louisa’s marriage in 1918 (which confirms her father’s name and that he was dead):


https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1918/09716/5525265.pdf

[aghadowey]

But was her father James dead? As early as 1901 mother calling herself a widow.

1894 directory- James Gingles at 4 Walnut Place- not there in 1901 directory:
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/wyzcomplete1894.htm
This is only Gingles listed in Name section in 1901-
Gingles, Mrs., servants' registry office, 141 Donegall Street

Only James Gingles death I found so far was a farmer near Larne in 1920.

[Elwyn Soutter]

I looked for James death and couldn't find it in Ireland. Perhaps he died elsewhere? Agree it's not something we have resolved.

[aghadowey]

Wonder if he was in Boer War and died out there?

[gaffy]

Ireland's Saturday Night of 7 December 1895 and Ballymena Weekly Telegraph of 14 December 1895:

Wanted   the address of James Gingers, medical student, brother to Patrick and John Gingers, publicans, Kilwaughter, Larne.  Any information regarding him will be thankfully received by his wife and child, 4 Walnut Place, Belfast.