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John Henry Cass Butler.
« on: Sunday 31 August 25 14:39 BST (UK) »
He was my maternal grandfather, 23/09/1896 to 14/04/1965, married Mary Ann Falconer Berston on 8th May, 1920, their home in the East End of Sunderland. My father said he was awarded the DCM for
carrying an officer named Charrington from No-mans Land. During his service he was gassed and made Lance Corporal. He pawned his medals and had no record of their award.

Research found little of merit and was ended, until recent reading uncovered a "Rollie" (Harold Victor Spencer) Charrington during WWII in Greece and Crete, who was awarded the MC in France and fitting the person my grandfather had described. This spurred another attempt which has found nothing more, but wonder if anyone might have something that I might add to my grandfather's profile?

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Re: John Henry Cass Butler.
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 31 August 25 15:48 BST (UK) »
If you are referring to Brigadier Harold Vincent (not Victor) Spencer Charrington, you may find an account of him being rescued on the battlefield in the papers at the National Army Museum and/or The Liddell Hart Centre for Military Archives, at King's College London.
TNA holds Spencer Charrington's record of service file but it doesn't contain any mention of being wounded during WW1 or why he was awarded the MC.

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Re: John Henry Cass Butler.
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 31 August 25 15:51 BST (UK) »
The first thing would be to apply for his service records. 

Would you know his service number or have you already done that?
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« Reply #3 on: Sunday 31 August 25 16:22 BST (UK) »
The first thing would be to apply for his service records. 

Would you know his service number or have you already done that?
I don't think there's any evidence that he served on after 1920 so his service record is probably among those that didn't survive the fire in WW2. There are dozens of records which have survived, for plain John Butler and over 600 hundred if you include the medal cards etc but there is no chance of whittling them down to  short list based on just the information we have about him. There is no obvious London Gazette entry for his DCM.


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Re: John Henry Cass Butler.
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 31 August 25 16:43 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the replies, and yes, his name should have been Vincent.

From memory my initial searches brought up his original attestation, one had his name recorded as "Cass-Butler", but I can't recall any service number being found.

He did serve after 1920 in 7th Batt DLI (Defence Corps) with service number 586 recorded with War Office stamp dated 27 APR 1921 as record of payment of 2/7, on and for a Death Certificate for his first son.

There is a Pension Record with Service Number of S/3580.

How might I find a copy of Brigadier HVS Charrington's account?

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Re: John Henry Cass Butler.
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 31 August 25 17:50 BST (UK) »
His pension card also states that he was alias James Laverick

A search for a James Laverick in the Rifle Brigade finds S/13580 of the 16th Battalion, Rifle Brigade.

A search of the citations for the Distinguished Conduct Medal for both John Butler and James Laverick has come up with nothing.

The award of a DCM would normally be reported in a local newspaper, searches of newspapers for both Durham and Newcastle have drawn a blank.

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Re: John Henry Cass Butler.
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 31 August 25 18:17 BST (UK) »
AllanUK, thanks for that.

What reasons might there have been to have an alias? It also suggests his story could have been fictious. Maybe this matter is best left unanswered.

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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 31 August 25 18:54 BST (UK) »
How might I find a copy of Brigadier HVS Charrington's account?
Here's a link to the National Army Museum holdings: Memoir: With the XII Royal Lancers in 1914; written by Brig Charrington
As far as I can tell it hasn't been digitised so you need to either visit in person or contact the Museum staff to make a copy for you.
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Telephone: 020 7730 0717
Email: info@nam.ac.uk

Details of his papers in the Liddell Hart collection are here: https://archives.kingscollections.org/index.php/charrington
Again a visit in person is required or request a copy of the relevant parts. Contact details here: Liddell Hart Centre

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Re: John Henry Cass Butler.
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 31 August 25 19:01 BST (UK) »
Andy J2022, thanks for your help.

A visit is not practical, but your links will surely be used.