A butcher, a baker... by the name of Wilson (possibly Sorbie, Wigtown)

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JAMES WILSON 17/04/1819 Penpont THOMAS WILSON & AGNES THOMSON

Colin

Thomas & Agnes above appear on the 1841 census at Penpont, he is an Ag. Lab.

Colin

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I wonder if this is Hannah?
Hannah Lishman Baptism  1 April 1817
Brothers: William 1812 & John 1814
Lowick, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom 
Parents James Lishman, Anne Lishman

1841 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ2R-9G4?lang=en

If the above is correct and as James & Hannah’s eldest daughter was Elizabeth Ann, maybe they used both their mothers names, if so, I wonder if this could be James below, the only birth/baptism I can find with the mothers name Elizabeth, there are none for Hannah, and assuming they followed some sort of naming pattern?

JAMES WILSON
THOMAS WILSON/ELIZABETH MACFARLANE
18/07/1815
Bonhill, Dunbartonshire

Parents?
Thomas Wilson married Elizabeth McFarlane/MacFarlane 1/06/1799, Cardross, Dunbartonshire.
James above was the youngest child, siblings, all born/baptised Bonhill.
John 21/12/1800, Robert 3/08/1802, Janet 11/12/1803
Jean 28/04/1807, Elizabeth 9/04/1809, Donald 9/08/1811.

It may be worth looking at the records on https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Do you know when and where James died, as I note that there are death records for a James born about 1815 in Ulverston.

Colin

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There are 245 deaths of James Wilsons, born 1819 plus or minus 5 years, in the Scottish deaths indexes.

There are two with mother's maiden surname Simpson and three with mother's maiden surname Thomson. You could check these in the hope of eliminating them. You could even do the same for the rest of the James Wilsons with father Thomas.

Does James' marriage certificate say that his father Thomas was deceased? If not, you could try checking all the Thomas Wilsons in the 1841 census to see if any of them are butchers/fleshers. That could be a long job but you never know, it just might turn up an answer.

I wonder why James named two sons Wallace? Might there be a clue there?

Thank you! I'm currently away on a mini-break but I'll have a good dig into the various James Wilsons once I get back.

(There were two Wallaces because the first died in infancy.)

[Lught-thie]

I wonder if this is Hannah?
Hannah Lishman Baptism  1 April 1817
Brothers: William 1812 & John 1814
Lowick, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
Parents James Lishman, Anne Lishman

1841 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ2R-9G4?lang=en

If the above is correct and as James & Hannah’s eldest daughter was Elizabeth Ann, maybe they used both their mothers names, if so, I wonder if this could be James below, the only birth/baptism I can find with the mothers name Elizabeth, there are none for Hannah, and assuming they followed some sort of naming pattern?

JAMES WILSON
THOMAS WILSON/ELIZABETH MACFARLANE
18/07/1815
Bonhill, Dunbartonshire

Parents?
Thomas Wilson married Elizabeth McFarlane/MacFarlane 1/06/1799, Cardross, Dunbartonshire.
James above was the youngest child, siblings, all born/baptised Bonhill.
John 21/12/1800, Robert 3/08/1802, Janet 11/12/1803
Jean 28/04/1807, Elizabeth 9/04/1809, Donald 9/08/1811.

It may be worth looking at the records on https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Do you know when and where James died, as I note that there are death records for a James born about 1815 in Ulverston.

Colin

That's fabulous, thank you. I'll have a good look into things once I get back from my mini-holiday.

Yes, that's the right Hannah Lishman. Baptised Lowick 1817, parents James Lishman and Anne Mount. However, there were Elizabeths on her side of the family. I believe she had siblings William Myers, John, Hannah, Elizabeth and Mary. (A James Lishman and an Elizabeth Lishman are listed as witnesses at Hannah's wedding.) Her parents' siblings included Susannah, Betty, William, Jane, John, Margaret, Molly, Betty and John.

That could suggest that the names Wallace and Charles came from James' side of the family.

James died in 1855 in Ulverston.

Thanks again for your help and I'll explore your suggestions shortly 

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Sadly if this is the death you refer to it rules out the family above?

WILSON, JAMES    mmn MURPHY  
GRO Reference: 1855  D Quarter in ULVERSTONE UNION  Volume 08E  Page 533

Colin

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Sadly if this is the death you refer to it rules out the family above?
WILSON, JAMES    mmn MURPHY 
GRO Reference: 1855  D Quarter in ULVERSTONE UNION  Volume 08E  Page 533

That can't be a death - English death certificates don't even record the mother's given name, let alone index her maiden surname.

I checked and it is indeed a birth.

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JAMES WILSON
THOMAS WILSON/ELIZABETH MACFARLANE
18/07/1815
Bonhill, Dunbartonshire

There is a death in 1890 of James Wilson, aged 74, mother's maiden surname McFarlane, which could eliminate this James Wilson.

[Lught-thie]

Thanks. I'd been using death records on Ancestry, but I've started to look at GRO. The 1855 death record for James Wilson can't be the right one: it says he was 74, which is too old. But there is another death recorded in Ulverston in 1857 (08E, 349) that looks like the right one. (He definitely died before April 1858, as that's when Hannah remarried.)

Once I've a bit more time, I'll have a look at the various James Wilsons who were born in Scotland c1817 to a Thomas Wilson and see if I can narrow things down (both by eliminating those that can be eliminated and looking for supporting evidence - eg father a butcher, siblings called Wallace or Charles).

Thanks again for all your help!