Patrick O'Brien: daughter Martha emigrated to England probably c1841

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Occasionally in Ireland there was a pattern of siblings in one family marrying siblings of another and on the slightest off chance of that coincidence here, I'll just mention the following marriage as a purely speculative punt, it took place on 15 March 1847 in the Registrar's Office in Newtownards, Co. Down, between a Patrick O'Brien, a miner living in the townland of Whitespots in Newtownards Civil Parish (probably working at the lead mine there), and Catherine McMullan, also living in Whitespots, the two fathers were recorded as Patrick O'Brien and Patrick McMullan, both farmers:
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1847/09336/5380600.pdf

https://www.townlands.ie/en/down/ards-lower/newtownards/newtownards-north/whitespots/

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Notes
Housby Birkett bap.5 July 1853 son of John and Catherine, father Miner
at St Andrew Coniston

Burial 10 September 1853 Housby Birkett age 4 months, abode Piper Hole. 

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Occasionally in Ireland there was a pattern of siblings in one family marrying siblings of another and on the slightest off chance of that coincidence here, I'll just mention the following marriage as a purely speculative punt, it took place on 15 March 1847 in the Registrar's Office in Newtownards, Co. Down, between a Patrick O'Brien, a miner living in the townland of Whitespots in Newtownards Civil Parish (probably working at the lead mine there), and Catherine McMullan, also living in Whitespots, the two fathers were recorded as Patrick O'Brien and Patrick McMullan, both farmers:
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1847/09336/5380600.pdf

https://www.townlands.ie/en/down/ards-lower/newtownards/newtownards-north/whitespots/

That's very interesting, thank you. Yes, I've come across at least one instance of siblings of one family marrying siblings of another in my own tree.

Obviously this is far from conclusive proof, but the details fit. This Patrick would be of an age to potentially be Catherine and Martha's brother, and Catherine could be John's sister. On Martha and John's marriage record, it records their fathers as Patrick O'Brien and Patrick McMullan.

Thanks a million! It's a great lead for me to try to pursue!

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Interesting fact

James Moffett Birkett's daughter Hannah married Housby Burkett's son William 18 May 1908 in Jefferson County Alabama .
He was 30 years older than her.
Children
Ellen Elizabeth born circa 1909
William circa 1912
Ruby  circa 1915

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Interesting fact

James Moffett Birkett's daughter Hannah married Housby Burkett's son William 18 May 1908 in Jefferson County Alabama .
He was 30 years older than her.
Children
Ellen Elizabeth born circa 1909
William circa 1912
Ruby  circa 1915

Wow! There seems to be quite a bit of intermarriage on that side of my family 

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find my past

1841 living at Outrake Gate, Ulverston John and Catherine born in 1816, Jane 4, Marthew 2 and William under 1.

they means must have got married about 1837? is this them on the census?

Mathew is spelt Marthew on the census.

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find my past

1841 living at Outrake Gate, Ulverston John and Catherine born in 1816, Jane 4, Marthew 2 and William under 1.

they means must have got married about 1837? is this them on the census?

Mathew is spelt Marthew on the census.

Yep, that's them, thanks, living at Outrake Green, parish/township of Coniston Church.

I haven't been able to find a marriage for them. I've looked on Ancestry and on the Lancashire Parish Clerk Project (digitised parish records). A later census sees them living at Haverigg, near Millom - SW of John's birthplace of Broughton, whereas Coniston is NE - so it's possible they got married in Cumberland, rather than Lancashire. The Cumberland records don't appear to be anywhere near as well preserved as the Lancashire ones.