Alan Carr b1931

[Ratty2]

Having consulted with my friend again, I can assure you that Al(l)an Carr is her father to his first wife Kathleen Redfearn. They divorced and he remarried to Brenda Renshaw (don't know when).

My friend's mother Kathleen Redfearn also remarried to become Kathleen Battle (date unknown).

The Evening News item (undated) of Alan Carr's death 25 Dec 1981 lists all the children from his marriage to Brenda Renshaw.

We're  looking for confirmation of his death in Dec 1981.
We are also looking for a photo of him - any ideas?

One sister of my friend, Leslie Florence (b1955) died and is found on the Redfearn grave. She is a daughter we think of Allan Carr b1932. All in Gorton, not anywhere else - not Wales.

We suspect the grave of Alan Carr died 1996 is a son of Allan Carr b1932.

[amondg]

Your assumptions are not correct re: Alan Carr.

Alan Thomas Carr married Brenda Renshaw "1954" March quarter registered Salford.

He cannot marry two women in the same year.

Your Allan Carr NO middle name married Kathleen Redfearn 31 July 1954 registered Manchester.

[MollyC]

jonwarnn and LadyHawk - Thank you for your kind words.  I have just looked back at my downloads before I delete them.  I found the correct file at the 7th attempt, in the space of 3 minutes.  For anyone who has never seen this -

Select the spectacles symbol at the end of any FreeBMD result.  This takes you to the "Entry Information" page where halfway down you can look at the scan which produced that entry.  Below that is:
"If the scan does not contain the entry you may be able to find the scan yourself by clicking here"
On the next page "View Images" you may set up your own search from "New Search" at the bottom.
This includes access to scans which have been uploaded but not yet transcribed.

[MollyC]

To summarise:
Alan who died in 1981 is buried in Salford with Brenda.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/276079583/alan-carr
The second plaque on the memorial mentions William and Milly [Mildred] Renshaw who married 1931, parents of Brenda Renshaw b1933.

Carr and Renshaw married 1954, Salford.
The first child of Carr and Renshaw was registered in 1955.

Carr and Redfearn married 1954, Manchester.
The first child of Carr and Redfearn was registered in 1955.
(Lesley Florence who d 1968, buried at Gorton, Manchester.)

All the Carr/Brenda Renshaw events were in Salford.
All the Carr/Kathleen Redfearn events were in Manchester, until the death in Dwyfor.

Kathleen remarried 1964 to Battle and had 2 more children.
She died 1977, buried at Gorton (with her parents and daughter).
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/136522248/kathleen-battle

Alan from Manchester may well have remarried, but not to Brenda Renshaw.  Brenda remained married to Alan from Salford until she was widowed in 1981 and is commemorated with him.

[Ladyhawk]

Your assumptions are not correct re: Alan Carr.

Alan Thomas Carr married Brenda Renshaw "1954" March quarter registered Salford.

He cannot marry two women in the same year.

Your Allan Carr NO middle name married Kathleen Redfearn 31 July 1954 registered Manchester.

Agreed amondg - for info. from Lancashire BMD
https://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/marriagesearch.php

CARR Alan T   RENSHAW   Brenda   
1954   Salford St Clements   Salford

CARR Allan REDFEARN   Kathleen   
1954   Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended   Manchester

Molly - that is a very comprehensive summary well done 

Ratty - please do let us know the details from the 1932 birth certificate when you receive it

[Ladyhawk]

This tree suggests that Alan remarried after his split with Kathleen     

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tyz/

Ratty did you look at this public tree posted by Kay99 - perhaps contacting the owner to see if they have more details

edit to add Lancashire BMD marriage index
1962 Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended
added - you would need to purchase this m/c to check who is named as his father

[Annette7]

This tree suggests that Alan remarried after his split with Kathleen     

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tyz/

Ratty did you look at this public tree posted by Kay99 - perhaps contacting the owner to see if they have more details

edit to add Lancashire BMD marriage index
1962 Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended

This tree also confirms the 1996 death date I referred to.

Ratty - because he died in Wales doesn't mean you should just dismiss this.   He could have been on holiday.   Also, between us we've proved he definitely didn't marry Brenda Renshaw and didn't die 1981.  I tend to agree with this tree and that his second wife was Marjorie Vernon with whom he had 3 children.  It has scant details of his other marriage just shown to a Catherine (believe this should read Kathleen) with 2 daughters.

However, you say you've ordered Alan Carr's 1932 birth certificate and if it gives a birthdate of 29/1/1932 this will prove he did indeed die in Wales 1996.

Annette


 

[Ladyhawk]

We suspect the grave of Alan Carr died 1996 is a son of Allan Carr b1932.

Ratty to confirm I took a look at the 1996 burial record his age is 64 so he was born 1932

As Annette mentioned once you receive his birth certificate and have his exact date of birth, you will know if that is indeed the correct death entry.

If it is, you could then obtain that certificate to see what is says ie his address, cause of death, who was the informant.

[jonwarrn]

If the birth dates do match, I wonder why Alan's record in the 1939 Register has not been opened by findmypast. Whether he was living with his family, where a younger brother is open, or was elsewhere.