Alan Carr b1931

[Ladyhawk]

James Carr married Margaret Littler 1919 reg. Chorlton

1921 living with his in laws Joseph and Mary Ellen Littler.

Marriage Image on Anc*y

12 Apr 1919 West Gorton, All Saints, Lancashire
Margaret Littler 21, peeler, 25 Park Street, Father Joseph Littler, labourer
Spouse James Carr, 19, labourer , 7 Park Street, fathers name left blank

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CARR, JAMES       - 
GRO Reference: 1899  D Quarter in CHORLTON  Volume 08C  Page 729

[Ladyhawk]

Thanks for all this help, very grateful

We know the marriage was 31 July 1954 to Kathleen, which means: CARR,  Allan    REDFEARN   Manchester    10e   855       Sep 1954.
He signed his name with double LL in Allen.
and I would guess and then buy the GRO birth of Carr, Alan     Mar 1932 at Manchester South  
but NOT the Allan T one.

What was his father James occupation?
Were the witnesses related ?

Edit - Please let us know how you get on when you receive the digital birth image and do you know when and where his wife Kathleen died?

[MollyC]

Cannot find a second death registered.

(As an aside, searching the GRO index for male deaths using "phonetically similar variations" of Alan, I have just noticed that it retrieves female names as well, but only between 1984-1992 - Alice, Annie, Lillian etc.)

[Ratty2]

Alan Carr married Kathleen Redfearn in 1954, but at some other date he also had a wife named Brenda.
With Brenda he had the following children (Evening Post notice for 1982?)
Alan, Graham, David
daughters: Debbie, Angela, Denise, Diane.
As these are most likely living, I have no wish to trace them as that infringes Rootschat rules. I only list them here in order to better clarify the second wife and hence the Alan I am seeking (and not the Allan T)

Allan Carr had two sisters and a brother: Irene Carr, the second sister's name is not remembered, and Allan's brother was John.

The Death I found on FindMyPast was 35 Dec 1981, when he was aged 49, in the 4th Qtr at Salford, Vol 39 p783.

Cheers, Ratty

[Ladyhawk]

Allan Carr had two sisters and a brother: Irene Carr, the second sister's name is not remembered, and Allan's brother was John.

The Death I found on FindMyPast was 35 Dec 1981, when he was aged 49, in the 4th Qtr at Salford, Vol 39 p783.

Purchase the birth certificate of Alan Carr 1932 reg. March quarter vol. 8d page 182, Manchester S

mother's maiden name Littler

This will give you his exact DOB.

A PDF copy is £3. using GRO Index  you have to sign in (free)

Ratty - Did you download the 1932 PDF birth certifcate? What was Alan's actual date of birth?

FreeBMD
Manchester births mmn LITTLER between years 1927 - 1941
There are 4  males (includes Alan) and 3 females - No Irene perhaps that was a pet name 

[MollyC]

I have traced the births of those seven names plus two earlier ones, dated 1954-1968, all with mmn Renshaw, and all registered in Salford.  This must be the other, different, family.

Meanwhile, there were two Carr/Redfearn births in Manchester, 1955 & 1957.

It appears all the events registered in Salford are not connected to your Al(l)an Carr.  Is the Evening Post notice in 1982 connected to the death in Dec 1981, or not?

We return to your original question that there is apparently no death for Al(l)an of Manchester who married Kathleen Redfearn.  Do you KNOW he died in 1981?  Do you know when & where Kathleen died?

[amondg]

Alan Thomas Carr married Brenda Renshaw 1954 reg. Salford

Alan Thomas Carr was registered July quarter 1932
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The OP wants the Alan Carr who married Kathleen Redfearn.

Perhaps they made an assumption when finding the death date 1981 that it was the Alan Carr they were looking for.

Alan Carr son of James could have been born December 1931 as his registration is March quarter 1932.

[MollyC]

The Findagrave record has an inscription which definitely links a man who was born 3 Jul 1932 and died 25 Dec 1981 with a wife named Brenda.  In a Salford Cemetery - Agecroft. (See Reply #1)

The OP assumed this death was the one he was searching for because there does not seem to be another.  What is known about the circumstances of the death of Alan who married Kathleen, and about her death?  Perhaps they emigrated, perhaps he is still alive aged 93. 

[jonwarrn]

Do you know when & where Kathleen died?

Marriage
March 1964 Manchester 10e 587
Battle, Gaylord - spouse Carr
Battle, Gaylord - spouse Redfearn
Carr, Kathleen - spouse Battle
Redfearn, Kathleen - spouse Battle

Lancashire BMD - Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended

Possible death
Sep 1977 Manchester 38 850
Battle, Kathleen
d-o-b 22 June 1933

I think a burial at Gorton Cemetery, may be more info on ancestry
Also on Find a Grave
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/136522248/kathleen-battle

Possible birth
Sep 1933 Manchester South 8d 172
Redfearn, Kathleen   
mother Trufitt