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Re: A 'scandal' in Killin - where to seek details?
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 27 August 25 18:20 BST (UK) »
It seems that only the accounts are available for the period in question

It is worth looking through the accounts for the period. Sometimes they lump things like mortcloth payments and penalties paid by delinquents together as monthly or quarterly sums, or even as individual payments without mentioning names. However, you might find your ancestor's name, the amount of the penalty paid, and even the reason for the penalty. You never know: always worth checking.

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Re: A 'scandal' in Killin - where to seek details?
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 28 August 25 07:53 BST (UK) »
Thanks GR2, I'll give that a go

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Re: A 'scandal' in Killin - where to seek details?
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 30 August 25 16:11 BST (UK) »
Due to the parishes having detached sections, bmd records in this area could be recorded in Killin, Kenmore or Weem with marriage banns in particular often recorded in 2.

Glen Lochay was split between the 3 parishes. By 1930 parish boundaries were realigned so that this area fell entirely in Killin.

This issue is not limited to this area, so keep in mind when searching for records.

Murlaganbeg and Murlaganmore were in Killin parish in between two detached sections of Kenmore parish. Moirlanich and Daldravaig were adjacent, but in Kenmore parish.
Use this map to view the boundaries:https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15.3&lat=56.48431&lon=-4.37442&layers=257s&b=1&o=100

My notes on the family:
Peter McMartin and his 2nd wife Margaret Ferguson resided at Murlaganbeg in the 1841 and 1851 census. Margaret moved to Monomore St in Killin for the 1861 census following Peter's death. She died there in 1892.

Peter was the son of Peter McMartin and Mary McKercher, I believe. Margaret was the daughter of Duncan Ferguson and Catherine Ferguson.

Peter's 1st wife Christina McDiarmid is likely the daughter of Archibald McDiarmid and Helen McPherson of Daletuil which is immediately across the river (not on most maps). Her brother Duncan died at Killin in 1864 - married a Catherine McCall.





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Re: A 'scandal' in Killin - where to seek details?
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 30 August 25 17:49 BST (UK) »
Peter's 1st marriage in 1811 states that he was of Kenmore and Christian McDiarmid was of Weem.
Again, they were both from Killin, but in detached sections of these parishes.

Peter's 2nd marriage says he was residing Murlaganbeg and his wife Margaret Ferguson was in Edramucky (north shore of Loch Tay).
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Re: A 'scandal' in Killin - where to seek details?
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 30 August 25 18:39 BST (UK) »
Ahh.

The scandal is that Peter McMartin had a child out of wedlock with possibly underage Margaret Ferguson in 1835/36. 1821 being her possible birth year by her death record.
James McMartin was born prior to their marriage in 1837.

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Re: A 'scandal' in Killin - where to seek details?
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 30 August 25 19:35 BST (UK) »
Thanks for all this information Kori. I've now found details of Peter's second marriage and that was irregular. Banns were called in Kenmore and he married Margaret Ferguson at Lawers on January 2nd, 1837, the Rev Duncan Campbell officiating. The Killin register states this was an irregular Proclamation and after Peter had paid the dues the Proclamation was registered at Killin on July 8th.
I'm sure that the parents of Christian McDiarmid, Peter's first wife, were Archibald and Ellen (Helen) as Peter and Christian gave these names to their second son and daughter respectively. I can't find any dates for Christian's death however. I haven't seen a son James 1835/6, but th=ere is a daughter Catherine born c1835. There was a John in 1840 and a son James in 1850 (he was James on the 1851 census, Ewen in 1861 and Hugh in 1871). I have had trouble finding any baptismal details for Peter's children.
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Re: A 'scandal' in Killin - where to seek details?
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 30 August 25 21:25 BST (UK) »
I was incorrect - the James b 1835 was actually born to Duncan McMartin and Christian McDiarmid.
I just found his death certificate. I had the tree wrong.

You are correct - the James b 1850 in the 1851 census is Hugh.


Peter's daughter Catherine was born 1836/37 possibly before the wedding - so she or her mother's age was the cause of the scandal. She died 1871 in Dumbarton. Married a Robert McKay.

Son John born 1841 died 1916 in Killin. Had two wives - Janet Malloch and Catherine Brown
Son Donald b 1843 died 22 May 1911 in Killin. Married a Catherine Cameron.
Daughter Christian b 1847.
Son Hugh b 1851 died 5 Jan 1917 in Killin. He married Isabel Robertson in 1874.

There are no baptisms for the children, making this family challenging.
Have to go by census and death certificate if you can find.


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