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A 'scandal' in Killin - where to seek details?
« on: Tuesday 26 August 25 10:49 BST (UK) »
The entry in the Heads of Household register for the parish of Killin in 1836 for my possible ancestor, Peter McMartin has a note simply saying 'scandal'. I presume this debarred him from voting in any election of a minister for the parish. Would anyone know where I might look to find out any details of this scandal? His residence was recorded as Murloganbeg which I think is Murlagganbeg in Glen Lochay.
Bumstead - London, Suffolk
Plant, Woolnough, Wase, Suffolk
Flexney, Godfrey, Burson, Hobby -  Oxfordshire
Street, Mitchell - Gloucestershire
Horwood, Heale Drew - Bristol
Gibbs, Gait, Noyes, Peters, Padfield, Board, York, Rogers, Horler, Heale, Emery, Clavey, Mogg, - Somerset
Fook, Snell - Devon
M(a)cDonald, Yuell, Gollan, McKenzie - Rosshire
McLennan, Mackintosh - Inverness
Williams, Jones - Angelsey & Caernarvon
Campbell, McMartin, McLellan, McKercher, Perthshire

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Re: A 'scandal' in Killin - where to seek details?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 26 August 25 13:47 BST (UK) »
The entry in the Heads of Household register for the parish of Killin in 1836 for my possible ancestor, Peter McMartin has a note simply saying 'scandal'. I presume this debarred him from voting in any election of a minister for the parish. Would anyone know where I might look to find out any details of this scandal? His residence was recorded as Murloganbeg which I think is Murlagganbeg in Glen Lochay.
Kirk Session records for the parish of Killin.

If they have survived they should be online in the Virtual Volumes at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk - go for 'Record creator search' and enter Killin.
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Re: A 'scandal' in Killin - where to seek details?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 26 August 25 16:50 BST (UK) »
Thanks Forfarian, I'll give that a go
Bumstead - London, Suffolk
Plant, Woolnough, Wase, Suffolk
Flexney, Godfrey, Burson, Hobby -  Oxfordshire
Street, Mitchell - Gloucestershire
Horwood, Heale Drew - Bristol
Gibbs, Gait, Noyes, Peters, Padfield, Board, York, Rogers, Horler, Heale, Emery, Clavey, Mogg, - Somerset
Fook, Snell - Devon
M(a)cDonald, Yuell, Gollan, McKenzie - Rosshire
McLennan, Mackintosh - Inverness
Williams, Jones - Angelsey & Caernarvon
Campbell, McMartin, McLellan, McKercher, Perthshire

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Re: A 'scandal' in Killin - where to seek details?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 26 August 25 22:00 BST (UK) »
It seems that only the accounts are available for the period in question
Bumstead - London, Suffolk
Plant, Woolnough, Wase, Suffolk
Flexney, Godfrey, Burson, Hobby -  Oxfordshire
Street, Mitchell - Gloucestershire
Horwood, Heale Drew - Bristol
Gibbs, Gait, Noyes, Peters, Padfield, Board, York, Rogers, Horler, Heale, Emery, Clavey, Mogg, - Somerset
Fook, Snell - Devon
M(a)cDonald, Yuell, Gollan, McKenzie - Rosshire
McLennan, Mackintosh - Inverness
Williams, Jones - Angelsey & Caernarvon
Campbell, McMartin, McLellan, McKercher, Perthshire


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Re: A 'scandal' in Killin - where to seek details?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 26 August 25 22:13 BST (UK) »
I have a couple of family members who appear in the Brechin Kirk Session records in the 1820s. Their claim to shame was pre-nuptial fornication. They weren’t alone. Those records are full of other folk who were also investigated and reprimanded before the congregation around the same time for the same reason. Rascals?  Perhaps that was the sort of “scandal” your ancestor got noted for?
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Re: A 'scandal' in Killin - where to seek details?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 27 August 25 09:19 BST (UK) »
Yes Elwyn, I think that may be the case. The person in question is Peter/Patrick McMartin who had married Christian McDiarmid in 1811 and had eight children with her. Christian must have died c1835 and by the 1841 census Peter is living with 'Mrs' Mcmartin and a baby son. It turns out his new wife was Margaret Ferguson and they had four children before his death before 1855. The odd thing is that Margaret's age varies considerably on all the censuses she appears in until her death in 1892, but it seems that she was born in 1821 which would make her just 16 when she married Peter. Was there perhaps some scandal about this or their possible co-habitation before? I've seen records suggesting Peter and Margaret married at Killin in 1837 but I can't find a record on Scotland's People.
Bumstead - London, Suffolk
Plant, Woolnough, Wase, Suffolk
Flexney, Godfrey, Burson, Hobby -  Oxfordshire
Street, Mitchell - Gloucestershire
Horwood, Heale Drew - Bristol
Gibbs, Gait, Noyes, Peters, Padfield, Board, York, Rogers, Horler, Heale, Emery, Clavey, Mogg, - Somerset
Fook, Snell - Devon
M(a)cDonald, Yuell, Gollan, McKenzie - Rosshire
McLennan, Mackintosh - Inverness
Williams, Jones - Angelsey & Caernarvon
Campbell, McMartin, McLellan, McKercher, Perthshire

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Re: A 'scandal' in Killin - where to seek details?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 27 August 25 10:57 BST (UK) »
The 1837 marriage is recorded in both Killin and Kenmore. See screenshot.

This means that at the time of the marriage one of the couple resided in the parish of Kenmore and one in the parish of Killin. You'll need to view the originals to see who lived where.
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Re: A 'scandal' in Killin - where to seek details?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 27 August 25 14:01 BST (UK) »
Thanks Forfarian,
I looked at the Killin entry today on SP, but the wrong image came up - I've informed them and await a reply. I see the two dates are different - a transcribing error or perhaps the calling of banns?
Bumstead - London, Suffolk
Plant, Woolnough, Wase, Suffolk
Flexney, Godfrey, Burson, Hobby -  Oxfordshire
Street, Mitchell - Gloucestershire
Horwood, Heale Drew - Bristol
Gibbs, Gait, Noyes, Peters, Padfield, Board, York, Rogers, Horler, Heale, Emery, Clavey, Mogg, - Somerset
Fook, Snell - Devon
M(a)cDonald, Yuell, Gollan, McKenzie - Rosshire
McLennan, Mackintosh - Inverness
Williams, Jones - Angelsey & Caernarvon
Campbell, McMartin, McLellan, McKercher, Perthshire

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Re: A 'scandal' in Killin - where to seek details?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 27 August 25 14:09 BST (UK) »
Thanks Forfarian,
I looked at the Killin entry today on SP, but the wrong image came up - I've informed them and await a reply. I see the two dates are different - a transcribing error or perhaps the calling of banns?
Just that the banns were recorded on different dates in the parish registers. Some clerks would make a record when the banns were first called, others might hold off until they could add the date of the actual wedding.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.