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Re: Help needed please
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 26 August 25 10:38 BST (UK) »

Bernard's address in the 1918 marriage registration was given as Dame Street in Enniskillen and his father was given as James Murphy, a marine dealer...
 

Just an extra indication that James Murphy and Bessie / Elizabeth Armstrong are the right folk, when the couple had a daughter Catherine at Dames Street in 1883, James' occupation was given as marine dealer:
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1883/02736/2005797.pdf
 

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« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 26 August 25 10:42 BST (UK) »
Bernard Murphy
Birth  1881 ENNISKILLEN, FERMANAGH
Military Service 
ROYAL INNISKILLING FUSILIERS REGIMENT (27th foot)
Enlisted 23 Jan 1896
Service number 1165


There are some prison records for Bernard Murphy while still a soldier

1902 - Sligo Prison for Assault
1903 - Sligo Prison for being drunk
1903 - Sligo Prison for being drunk and disord
1904 - Sligo Prison for being drunk
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Help needed please
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 26 August 25 10:46 BST (UK) »
Wow, this is all incredible information. I'm checking in on the thread, between jobs at work.

I think we're on the right track.

The military history is fascinating. Will there be any way of finding more information on Bernard's military career?

Thank you for your wonderful efforts so far

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Re: Help needed please
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 26 August 25 10:56 BST (UK) »
Also the prison sentences are very interesting, it seems he had issues with alcohol which may not have been uncommon in those days


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« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 26 August 25 11:01 BST (UK) »
The military history is fascinating. Will there be any way of finding more information on Bernard's military career?

There are some Militia Attestation papers for him available on Ancestry Fold 3 and at The National Archives; Kew.
I suspect his service number changed and there may be WW1 medal records for him.
Further questions are best asked on the military forum here. (I am no expert)
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 26 August 25 11:25 BST (UK) »
Also the prison sentences are very interesting, it seems he had issues with alcohol which may not have been uncommon in those days
They are worth looking at for the brief physical description of Bernard.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 26 August 25 11:33 BST (UK) »
Thank-you, I've just looked and indeed fascinating.

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« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 27 August 25 02:39 BST (UK) »
Just adding some more detail to those census entries I posted yesterday (reply #8)


1901 CENSUS with James McDonagh and Anne McDonagh
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Fermanagh/Irvinestown/Pound_Street/1355388/
Maggie and Mary Ann McGahey are daughters of John McGahey and Mary Anne McDonagh.

The mother Mary Anne died in 25.4.1887 (age 26), not long after the birth of her daughter Mary ann. Her mother Anne McDonagh was present at death.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1887/06214/4777876.pdf


20 yr old John Dogherty (b 1880) is the son of Hugh Dogherty and Eliza McDonagh (married 1879).
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1879/11073/8051839.pdf


4 year old Tom McDonagh (b 1897) probably is the illegitimate child of a Maggie McDonagh.



1911 census
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Fermanagh/Irvinestown/Pound_Street__Irvinestown_Town_/521419/

16 yr old Maggie McDonagh (b. 1894) is daughter of James McDonagh and Catherine Gilligan (married 1890)
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1890/10699/5900077.pdf


I think that James McDonagh (jnr) was born in 1867.
Son of James McDONAGH and Anne McMANUS (grandparents in the census)
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1867/03485/2281133.pdf
Their other children would have been born pre-civil registration


Possible death for James McDounagh (senior) in 1902 Irvinestown
Daughter Eliza Dogherty present at death. His age cannot be correct here.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1902/05687/4602740.pdf


Anne McDonagh, Died age 84 (pedlar’s widow) 25 Jan 1918
Irvinestown workhouse
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1918/05195/4435057.pdf
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)