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Re: Really Stuck and need help
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 24 August 25 16:56 BST (UK) »
Hi,

    You need to be really methodical here a get all the information you can.

    If you are happy this is your great grandmothers birth certificate.
    The next step is her parents marriage certificate.
    Their date of marriage is in 1857 as given on the certificate, so should be relatively easy to find.
    This gives their parents.

    Now look for all their siblings, this makes them easier to find with certainty in the census.
    Get all the census returns, you may be lucky and find one with a relative visiting or similar.
    This should give approximate death dates for their parents.

    Repeat this process with the parents, this will be pre certification, so you won’t get their parents from this, but looking at the dates, you may well be lucky and the grandparents die after 1855, giving certificates which will give their parents names.

    Scotlands People have been upgrading their index recently, making it a bit easier to find people. They say that mother’s maiden names are not always in the index pre 1974. But there are a lot more now, and the other name is more often in the index as well.
    There is a possible Robert McGregor dying in Rothesay in 1912 mmn Porteous

     And a possible Helen McGregor  mmn Adams in Perth in 1895

      There is also a possible Robert McGregor in Perth mmn Campbell.

       But as others have said, do your own research and read the original records, there is lots of information there not in the index.

   I haven’t reviewed this in the light of your later posts, but the principle remains the same.

       Happy hunting
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Re: Really Stuck and need help
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 24 August 25 17:41 BST (UK) »
I had some credits so checked 1857 marriage and it confirms Robert's parents as Robert McGregor & Helen Porteous. Robert was a blacksmith and deceased by the time of his son's marriage.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Really Stuck and need help
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 24 August 25 18:20 BST (UK) »
Thanks Osprey

Once we get to James and Janet Ritchie then James parents Peter McGregor and Janet McKinlay, this is where it starts to get messy

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Re: Really Stuck and need help
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 24 August 25 18:27 BST (UK) »
But we need to be sure of the generations in between first.  ::)
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb


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Re: Really Stuck and need help
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 24 August 25 18:35 BST (UK) »
True, I am confident that my 3 times great grandfathers parents are Robert Mcgregor and Helen Porteous. I'm just concerned on the elder Roberts parents James and Jannet

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Re: Really Stuck and need help
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 24 August 25 21:54 BST (UK) »
Hi,

      Have you looked at any of peoples suggestions?
      As I think we have all said, you need to look at all the sources.
      Some may be wrong even, but they all build a picture of the family to try and get past a brick wall.
      What are the justifications for James and Janet? Are they family names. As Neal1961 has said Robert McGregor is a very common name.
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« Reply #15 on: Monday 25 August 25 22:02 BST (UK) »
JacobusV,

  Apologies, I didn’t mean to come across as grumpy, but we do make these suggestions for a reason.
  I think we have all had one of those brick walls, that we find an unexpected snipped on the record, that give a link, like the wife’s fathers name recorded in the marriage register before 1855.

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Re: Really Stuck and need help
« Reply #16 on: Monday 25 August 25 22:12 BST (UK) »
No worries, I'm just excited to see who could be lurking in the family tree at that side. I've been blown away by the people I'm descended from on my Mum's side. I thought I was descended from farmers and journeymen, only to discover I've got Lords, Earls, Dukes and King's. I'm sitting in an end terrace 3 bed house selling IT kit for a living, meanwhile I have relatives living in Country estates, castles and palaces that probably haven't seen an honest days work in their lives lol. Interested to see if this paradigm continues on my paternal grandmother's maternal side.

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« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 26 August 25 15:53 BST (UK) »
The screenshot  that you have posted in reply 7 for Robert McGregor's baptism seems to indicate that the family may have been Catholic - the 'Rc' before the place name of Braemar in the Event information.  Is this likely?

Checking ScotlandsPeople, there is a baptism to a Robert McGregor in 1816 in the catholic registers of Ballater.  You have to select which denomination of parish register to check to search correctly. 

I have found the 1838 baptism on ScotlandsPeople:

Robert MACGREGOR
Parents: ROBERT MACGREGOR/HELEN PORTEOUS
22/08/1838  Perth  Ref 387  270/154

Make sure that you are flexible with the search to allow for variations of spelling.  I can't find any other children with the same named parents at the moment.

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