ERNEST HOPE Acrobat

[sparrett]

Interesting document!
I suspect the list is not complete.

I spotted the 2 Warren children there.  The subject of the news item I highighted.

I see some very young children listed. For instance the little Hall sisters were only 3 and 5 years old.
Sad.

Sue

Completely off topic.....
Mary Hall chose a sad end later in life.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/84525345?searchTerm=%22circus%20adopted%22~6

[haney]

Yes Sue I would have to agree that list isn't complete.

Wow never heard of that before, poisoning yourself with match heads.  So sad.  Thanks for the story. 

Ernies story will end up bigger than Ben Hur I think.

From the 1930 Newspaper article on Ernest HOPE it does seem to indicate a life in the circus (perhaps)

[haney]

Mrs White (Alexina?)  I came across this yesterday and I've learned something new.

 I didn't know what a BAILEE was and the article didn't make sense until I found out that a Bailee was someone who was in charge of taking care of someone elses property or similar.

The article is from August 1888.  Interesting

Also the WA Archives is going to look for me next re Ernest WHITE'S (Kings) realease from prison in 1909.  Here's hoping something turns up.  LOL.  Regards Dianna

[Neale1961]

Samuel Francis boarded with the White family around July - August 1888.
I wonder what he felt the debt to the family was?

[haney]

Hi Neale
   I wonder was it rent money or money he owed Charles White for boarding there.

Just calculating too, the conception of Ernest WHITE (Hope) possibly September 1888 to be born 1889.

Also Hopes daugther born/died in Newtown in 1888.  A lot going on with these people. Thanks Dianna

[haney]

Also I'm assuming that is was MRS White who served the 14 Day's hard labour.  I couldn't find anything re this for Alexina being imprisoned.

I imagine that would have caused Samuel Francis to leave the White household as a border unless it was all forgiven.  Dianna

[Neale1961]

   I wonder was it rent money or money he owed Charles White for boarding there.

That was my thought too.

[sparrett]

Hi
Looking back through my notes on this most intriguing thread, I found this aspect which I had not raised before.

The reason would be that it probably has no real bearing on the case .

When Samuel James FRANCIS was first convicted in 1884 it was for theft of a bracelet from the Sydney home of Miss Ada LEE. She was an actress as was her sister Jeannie LEE.
At that time Samuel was a servant in Jeanie's home where I think Ada was staying.
Samuel then left abruptly.

Ada died of plague in Sydney in 1902
Her parents were Edwin and Mary.

It is, I would say nothing more than coincidence that Samuel later became associated with another LEE family when Hope WHITE married Francis B. LEE after the birth of Ernest, whose father we are proposing was Samuel

Just a side thought but maybe enriches the picture

Sue

[haney]

Thanks Sue.  Also why does this man have such an Anglo/English sounding name.  Doesn't sound at all Indian to me.  Samuel James FRANCIS.

Another Alias situation OR was he brought up by English people.  (Orphanage?? perhaps). 

I know so many questions.  LOL